Furnace Filter Questions

Heat pump, particularly. Are the cleanable filters the best? They are a PITA to clean, and I wonder if I get them clean. At a new house I bought, I have the pleated paper filters. Not el cheapos, but the better ones. They really catch the dirt. Now I'm confused. What filters the best? The pleated ones are a little spendy when you consider you change them frequently, and the washable ones are definitely spendy.
What say ye?
Steve
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SteveB wrote:

Hi, I use washable, two of them. While on is being used one is washed, dried, kept as spare. I vacuum, then wash it under running tap water, shake it and dry. You can wash it in a dish washer if you want to. I have an EAC as well.
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SteveB wrote:

Basic disposables as pre-filter, followed by a proper electrostatic precipitator air cleaner with grids that are dishwasher safe. Just pull the grids and run through the dishwasher, and replace the disposable pre-filter.
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You must define "best."
The purpose of that filter is to remove larger dust and lint and keep it out of the furnace. Almost any filter will take care of that.
Today there are lots of companies selling various filters to "filter" better. You can spend some really big dollars on this if you like.
The only really important thing is that you have a basic filter and that it is not clogged enough to restrict air flow and damage your system and reduce efficiency.
Doing what you have done (using better but not really expensive) filters is a good idea. You will better protect the furnace and you may reduce a little dust in your home.
If you have serious allergy problems you may, or may not, benefit from one of the more serious electronic filters.
Try this. Put a really good filter in there and run it for one month. At the same time put a new filter in your vacuum cleaner. At the end of the month take a look at the two. Now you know that the vacuum cleaner is really the one that is taking care of the dust in your living area and the furnace filter is protecting the furnace.

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replying to SteveB, Iggy wrote: Well, I have to disagree with the others and explain why. A filter is a whole house defense and not at all just a big-chunk-blocker, which is all the washables are good for...regardless of their "claims". The more you can catch the better, period...why people wear dust masks instead of pulling pantyhose over their heads.

Whatever you catch is whatever doesn't get into your HVAC system, ductwork and, of course, breathing air. I went to 3m's Filtrete Ultra Allergen (MPR 1500 and MERV 12) 10-years ago with a new system and the HVAC is dustless and still brand new on the N-coil and everything...never had the new system cleaned yet.

The biggest help you can give yourself is to clean your supply and return ducts with a long vacuum hose...swimming pool hoses work extremely well for this when hooked up to a well filtered or outdoor located shop-vac. Get a pack of the best filter you can afford, it makes a big difference.
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Uncle Monster posted for all of us...

HAAAAAAAAAAA good one
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replying to Tekkie®, Iggy wrote: Idiot children. I'm NOT responding to the old people, I'm responding to the old question for NEW people...so they don't have to be as dumb as you clowns and post the same question as new, dimwits. Why would someone as stupid as you to newly post the same question when an old question got "allegedly" all the answers it could from the moron gallery? Do you imbeciles get it now? Is that clear enough for retards? Get a clue and stop sniffing glue!
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On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 5:14:08 PM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:

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That assumes that some new person digs up the old thread to begin with. So far, almost all of these 10 year old threads are dug up not by new people with a question, but by folks like you, responding to an old thread, to an old poster, as if it was a post just made.

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I don't see anyone here posting new questions that were answered by this thread. Just you reviving an old thread. So who exactly are these dimwit clowns? Joan, Tekkie and Uncle didn't ask anything about filters, did they?
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replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote: I thought we turned a new leaf, but here you are hopping right back in with the dimwit clown trolls of stupidity with no clue of what I said. Where's the "new question"? IT ISN'T! Why? Because here's the old question with wrong or partial or incomplete information.

If I was the average person searching the web because of a question I had and found old thread after old thread, I'd stop there. Why look or ask any further, if that's the crap everyone's spewing and happy with? I ran into it many times, with Horizontal Drywall, Lack of Plumbing Unions and Electrical Grounding Rods, S-traps and Conduit Venting. All parroted nonsense from people taught by frauds that never questioned anything and were taught not to question nor even simply observe (science).
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On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 9:44:07 PM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:

Those people have been here a lot longer than you, they've helped a lot of people and they aren't trolls.
Where's the

That assumes that all old threads, or most are just full of crap. We have a little history here to, that you may not be aware of. Typically these old threads that are suddenly revived get revived by:
Someone from HomeOwnersHub
They are asking a basic question where the answer is available from simple googling of many available resources on the web, ie a google would answer it without even needing a newsgroup.
The question is poorly formed, often lacking the most basic info that would be required to answer it or many times to even
And the new posts typically doesn't add anything of value, they frequently are useless. Not saying that about yours, but I think people here would agree it's generally the case. understand it.
So, I tend to doubt that these posters have even looked at any resources readily available, let alone start wading through newsgroups. Like "are cleanable filters best?". I just googled it and in the first three pages of results you get dozens of hits, websites, videos, etc, all kinds of resources, not one of them is a newsgroup. So, I think you are greatly overestimating the number of people who have a current question that are going through old newsgroups to find the information they need.
Also, many people here have an issue with HomeOwnersHub, they feel that they have tried to hijack the AHR newsgroup which is part of usenet and make it look like it's theirs.
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replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote: Really? There you go lying again. How am I a troll for standing up for myself and defending myself, while practicing my freedom? I WENT AFTER NO-ONE! I made an inconspicuous comment, to then find Real Trolls crying about me taking a book out of the library. RIDICULOUS!

This site's at least trying to do what Usenet never did nor ever will accomplish. Usenet was handed its hat by an explosion of Q&A sites that put it to shame overnight, TWENTY YEARS AGO! Usenet was poised to be the Real Internet and a collection of filtered, proven and certified Wiki's. But, they threw it away.

We should be debating Best Practices, Best Materials, Best Designs, Full Use Potential and Perfectly Accurate information. But no, Humanity only wants to keep stumbling over its own feet again and again. The Internet could've fixed the world, but it ended up exposing Humanity.
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On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 8:14:06 AM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:

Another poster here was pretty nice to you, gave you some pointers, one of which was that people here can't figure out what it is that you're bitching about when you consistently make posts without quoting that which you're replying to. So, I have no idea what alleged lie you're referring to, but I did not call you a troll.

Here is what you posted:
"I thought we turned a new leaf, but here you are hopping right back in with the dimwit clown trolls of stupidity with no clue of what I said. "
YOU are the one who used the word troll, not me and you attacked me and the other posters here. And even after that, I still didn't call you a troll.

Obviously you don't realize that most of the AHR posts, and an even higher percentage of the relevant ones, are coming from usenet the usual way and not via your HomeMoanersHub. In fact, the most ignorant, clueless posts, seem to come from there. Most of them are people asking via that portal and getting their answers here. But then most of those questions from HomeMoanersHub seem to be one hit wonders. They ask some poorly detailed question that can't be answered because it's devoid of necessary info, and the despite people here trying to help, they are never heard from again. More recently there has been a big increase in people from there digging up ten year old threads and responding to them, replying back to a person from ten years ago, as if they were there asking that question now.
All this has me wondering if there aren't some posters aligned with HomeMoanersHub who's real purpose is to build traffic for that website. Are you a paid shill?

That's a classic coming from you. Just the other day another poster very nicely pointed out that you never quote anything when you make a reply, so no one knows what the hell you're referring to. Did you adopt that best practice?
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On 09/06/2017 10:29 PM, trader_4 wrote:

Web-based forums are often "infected" with annoying, javascript pop-up advertising and various malware...which is why I avoid them.
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Yep. I agree. and as much as I dislike Yahoo - a couple of their specific groups have been great sources of helpful friendlly info. eg: specific group for vintage Elna brand sewing machines John T.
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Sorry Iggy - but your cred is lost here by your use of the web-site interface and your posting methods - ie: never quoting any of the previous thread. I don't mind seeing an old thread or topic re-examined here - a few folks here will relentlessly point it out - for fun - or to make themselves feel superior or something. Don't let them bother you. I'd suggest that you try a usenet server interface with a decent newsreader .. I'd be glad to help you with that if you need it. Failing that - please try to include some of the pertinent points of the thread when you post a reply. < copy & paste perhaps ? > dunno. And one more piece of advice - grow a bit thicker skin - you haven't been flamed much yet at all - that I've seen - .. yet you're calling people idiots, clowns, imbeciles, .. John T.
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replying to hubops, Iggy wrote: No thanks, I left Usenet decades ago...old world junk. Just seeing if the dolts can take what they dish...they can't, just whining moron wusses ganged up in their laughably trite nothing clique. I don't quote others because I don't try to go after others, except to compliment...I don't troll. But, I'm more than happy to be an 2774653 to 2774653's.
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On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 9:44:07 PM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:

Silly rabbit, you're still on usenet! You're just going through that HomeMoanersHub to get to it. Which is precisely the point I made to you earlier, that many people here feel that website is trying to hijack AHR on usenet and make it look like it's theirs. They've obviously fooled you.
Just seeing if the

And there you go again, this time attacking everyone here.
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replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote: I ain't on any newsgroup. The Usenet stuff is only half the site and once it's out of Usenet it's no longer Usenet and is actually something useful. And, you really need to look up the words Troll and Attack.

Just like every other question, I came here alone and was then attacked by whomever else, NOT the other way around. But I get your psychosis (bi-polarity), me answering people's questions and responding to uninvited direct replies is me "attacking" others. Uh, huh.
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On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 1:44:11 PM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:

Of course you are. AHR is a usenet newsgroup.
The Usenet stuff is only half the site and once it's

But it's not out of Usenet, if it was, you would not be seeing all the replies to your posts. Not one of these recent replies has come from HomeMoanersHub. I'm not on HMH. Are you that stupid or are you a shill for HMH?
and is actually something useful. And, you

I know what they mean. You claimed I called you a troll. That was a lie. But now you're sure starting to act and look like a troll. And it was YOU who just attacked all posters here. That's what trolls do.
Just like every other question, I came here alone and was then attacked by

From ten years ago, without quoting so people can figure out what you're talking about and as if they were asked yesterday.
I'm beginning to see that the people who never liked HMH were right. And once again you refuse to quote whatever you're replying to so people can follow, while lecturing is about "best practices".
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replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote: You really need medication. I didn't quote, because I responded to the main question. Again, how do you "people" not get that this old question is what New would-be Asker's are finding in their search for their answer. THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO SAME NEW OR REPEAT QUESTIONS!

And yet, you don't fix or expand or add to the answers. You just flounder in your bygone mirror world, slapping each others assess for a job poorly done. Answers, commonly, replete with idle chit-chat and trolling...I added a quick-scroll 4th Answer and you trolls came along to bump it up to 18 with your irrelevant whining. Go back to your hole on the short-bus.
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