:> :Dan_Musicant wrote:
:> :> I need to make a floorplan for an engineer to work off of so he can work
:> :> up a foundation rebuild. It's a 2 story 1925 square foot 95 year old
:> :> house. I started trying to do it on graph paper, but I figure I'm just
:> :> making things tough on myself doing it that way.
:> :> This floor plan will probably come in handy for some alterations I'm
:> :> contemplating - tearing out a wall or two, putting in a door or two,
:> :> etc.
:> :> What's a reasonably cost effective software for what I want to do?
:> :3D Home Architect is one of the easiest to use. Pick it up on eBay -
:> :it'll be ~$10 delivered.
:> :Be aware that an engineer relying on someone else's dimensions, someone
:> :who is having trouble taking dimensions, is asking for trouble. If
:> :something is off, guess who's going to pay in spades?
:> I understand what you're saying. "Measure twice, cut once." Well, I'm
:> something of a perfectionist (when I want to be) and I think I'm up to
:> assuring that my dimensions are adequate. Well taken.
:> 3D Home Architect on eBay. Funny you say that because I bought two
:> different versions of that on eBay yesterday! I bought 5.0 and a couple
:> of minutes later found reviews of it on Amazon.com and EVERYBODY said it
:> was horrible compared to 4.0, which was developed by a different company
:> (although both are sold as and by Broderbund). So, I bought 4.0 (MUCH
:> better reviews), which I did get for $10 delivered, although the buyer
:> insisted on $1.50 insurance, to bring it to $11.50. So, I'll sell the
:> 5.0 without opening it, on eBay.
:> I've read many reviews but they vary quite considerably and don't
:> generally address my specific (initial) needs - working up the floor
:Any of the versions will be fine for a floor plan. Version 2 of 3D
:Home Architect was the last good one I know of. I have v2 and v4 and
:was totally dumbfounded that they'd removed one of the most useful
:tools in the later version. You can no longer get a section through
:the entire building. You can only get sections floor by floor. I
:actually called them up and asked if I was missing something. Nope.
:It's similar to someone taking away the multiplication ability from
:your calculator. Totally daft.
:Dan, do not jump on TB for his comment. From your original post you
:are in need of developing your measuring skills, not drafting skills.
:The danger here is in handing the (lazy?) engineer a very pretty
:drawing that's based on questionable measurements. It will quickly get
:you into trouble all the while looking very professional.
:Let me explain. You kept coming up with different measurements. When
:you draw it up which measurement will you use? The CAD program won't
:tell you which is wrong. You might assume that the measurement that
:squares everything up is the correct one, but that's not necessarily
:Your engineer will be relying on your measurements. If there's nothing
:critical going on, you wouldn't be getting an engineer in the first
:place. Since there are critical dimensions, the engineer, or one of
:his minions, should visit the site, deteremine the critical dimensions
:and measure them. The engineer would probably tack on fifty or a
:hundred bucks for field measuring. Anything else is giving the
:engineer a very convenient scapegoat - you.
:If it's a question of you trying to save money, this isn't the place to
:do it. If I was going to give a first timer only one piece of advice
:it would be this:
:ALWAYS make people responsible for their own measurements.
OK, thank you for your patient and extensive comments. Really
appreciated. If I have one bit of doubt about any of my measurments I'll
remeasure until I'm satisfied that they are correct.
I see what you mean about the multi-floor sections. That would indeed be
nice. In fact, for my purposes, that would be very useful considering
the type of 2nd story alterations that I think I'll be contemplating.
I've been communicating with a guy who was an ART, Inc. reseller and he
tells me that those people did some very questionable things which
motivated him to cease relations with them. They are the folks who did
version 4.0 and previous of 3D Home Architect for Broderbund. One
expects subsequent versions of a software to be improvements. In most
cases that expectation is rewarded. Occasionally, it's far from the
case. Evidently in this case in particular. I'd automatically suspect
anything from Broderbund at this point.
One reason I posted is just the daunting task of measuring all the
dimentions in my house. I figured that there must be some tricks I can
benefit from. I have various tape measures, nothing fancy. There's a 25
footer, a 30 footer. The ends have little slots that I figure you can
hook over something to keep it from slipping. I had an idea (maybe
stupid) of getting something I could affix to a wall surface, possibly a
suction-cup affair. I could tie a fairly non-stretching cord to that and
pull taught to an opposite surface and then measure the length of the
cord and use the measurment in the floor plan. I was fishing for ideas
like that. I guess I could just use the measuring tapes "as designed and
I'll keep your suggestion in mind about making people responsible for
the measurments they use. Thanks.