Hello... My 30 yr old gas furnace is not energy efficient and very
noisy...time to replace it... I plan on having it replaced with a high
efficiency gas furnace...so far I have had two contractors come by for
quotes...one sells Coleman and the other sells Tempstar...there are so many
different makes out there...what is good and what are duds? Can anyone with
experience in these things care to comment? Thanks... Jim
On Mar 7, 10:47�am, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
A good friend a retired HVAC instructor highly recommends the goodman,
lower price and is working great here. Family members have been using
them for many years.
goodman uses off the shelf parts unlike companies like trane and
they use parts specially manufactured as OEM ONLY, so they can rape
you for parts, and discontinue them whenerver they want, forcing you
to buy a new furnace.
I have a York "Diamond 80". It breaks down once or twice a year and has
for the ten years I have owned it. (I bought a new house with it in it.)
I'd sooner sit in the cold that buy another York product. A real POS. If
York is on your "possibles" list I strongly recommend you reconsider.
Why buy crap when you can get good stuff from the likes of Trane etc.
There have been continuing MAJOR problems with the heating and A/C side
of my unit.
I have talked to York's CEO, the BBB and NJ Consumer protection agency
about this piece of crap, but no one will help. York even reneged on the
promise of a replacement unit.
EJ in NJ
I have a York Diamond 90 and the furnace has never been touched. I
had to replace the blower motor on the outside unit, and it needed a
new capacitor, but it has been there for 13 years.
Many people will tell you to avoid the more efficient units because
they will be more trouble, but I think that is a load of bull from
people who just don't want to understand more complex equipment.
Good point. The new units are more complex and the fact that they have more
parts makes them more vulnerable to breaking at some point. One big
potential problem though, is the very experience installer that is great
with the basic unit, but does not, or cannot, learn about circuit boards and
That brings us back to what brand to buy. If a local dealer has installed
100 of Brand A and only two of Brand B, I'd lean towards Brand A. The
service tech will have more experience servicing that brand and if it breaks
down on a very cold winter night, he is more likely to have a part in the
Chris ..to understand my comments you should know that I have replaced
ten igniters, two main circuit boards, one main blower fan, rebuilt
another fan, on the gas furnace. On the Air Conditioning side I have
replaced the main AC cooling coil, the starting Capacitor, and the
condensate drain system. There is likely more, but this is all I
remember without looking up the records.
I hope you continue to have good luck with your unit.
EJ in NJ
What brand might that be? My Miller furnace in my trailer.
Needed the inducer fan oiled every year. Since that time, I
put in a York (Luxaire) and that's run for five years with
no maint. 90 percenter, yes, installed myself.
I have two window shakers which need to be cleaned
professionally ever few years. I'm a professional. Six years
of working for another company, as an installer.
Oh good Lord... EJ in NJ...I am the original poster and have a non
efficient gas furnace (Olson) and all I have done since day one is watch it
run!... costs us 40 bucks for new bearings in the squirrel cage fan about 14
years ago...that is it....maybe I should just put up with the noise and
added fuel expense?... I don't have the hassle or time to troubleshoot a
high effiency unit that's gonna give that much trouble... I will certainly
stay away from the YORK brand... thanks... jimi
You don't think more complex equipment has more failure points and
more expensive parts to replace? I'm not saying I would not buy a
high efficency furnace, only that there is some tradeoff in expected
service cost for a more complex system. For example, I've heard
plenty of stories here from guys moaning over the cost to replace a
variable speed blower that runs 4X what a regular blower would cost.
That's kind of like asking, "Hey, I need a new car. What make should I
Here is what you want to look for:
Brand doesn't necessarily mean anything. They are all built for low
cost so they can all claim they have the best furnace at the lowest
price. As you can see in here, people have their own preference on
brand. It works like this: They are all "chit". Look for a unit that
has a good service person/company that comes with it. Most
importantly, get one with a 5 or 10 yr LABOR warranty because they all
Usually, one repair will pay for the labor warranty purchase.
Right now, Goodman has an interesting warranty. Free 10 yr parts and
Free 5 year labor warranty. There is no cost added in that I the
dealer has to build in to my cost for that warranty. I don't believe
any other manufacturer does that yet? Not saying Goodman is the best
or worst out there. Just saying that is one thing there. I don't
endorse any brand because I don't get paid to.
There you have it in a nutshell. The secret of HVAC.
I've installed a lot of Goodman and Janitrol equipment.
It's not the most expensive name brand stuff but it is
affordable. I like Trane and American Standard equipment
but I also like Mercedes automobiles, I just can't buy
one. The Goodman systems will give you many years of
service if "properly installed and maintained". This
means keeping the filters changed and the outdoor unit
clean. I always clean AC condensers (outdoor part) once
a year and Heat Pumps twice a year. If you can find a
service company that you can trust, get a service contract
to check and clean your HVAC system at least once a year.
Check out this fellow's site, he speaks the truth:
He has a lot of good common sense information on your
heating and air conditioning needs.
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