We have (had, I guess) a glass shelf in our bathroom, with glass holders
mounted to anchors in the drywall. One came loose, and eventually the
hole in the drywall became to large to set the anchor.
Because of the unique glass holders, I cannot use a larger anchor, nor
will toggles work with the screw I have to use. Relocating the hole
would be problematic. So now I want to patch the drywall and restore
the quarter inch hole.
My plan is to use mesh on the back of the drywall, fill the oversize
hole with plaster, then redrill. I've had good results using this
technique for patching, but I'm a bit concerned that the new hole I
drill will be almost as big as the oversized hole, and the anchor may
not hold. Years ago, I think I heard that wood glue can be mixed with
plaster to form a stronger surface, but my bottle of wood glue says
nothing about this.
So my question is whether mixing wood glue with the plaster will give a
stronger repair and, if so, about what portion of wood glue to plaster
I'm unhappy, because a few years ago we had two hardware stores near us,
either of which would have provided good advice, but Home Depot has
driven them out of business.
I've never mixed wood glue *with* plaster but I *have* applied it to
plaster after it cured...let it soak in, wipe off excess. In your
case I'd squirt cyanoacrylate glue into the sides of the hole in the
new plaster. As absorbent as plaster is, the super glue will wick
through the new plaster into the old and make a hole solid as
Why don't you take a piece of wood capable of being inserted into the
hole (or a larger hole) with a string attached to the center of the
wood. For instance if the hole is one inch, the wood could be 1/2 inch
stock measuring 1 x 6 inches. Drill a hole in the center of the wood
and knot the string so that it can prevent the wood from falling once
inserted into the wall. Before inserting into the wall, apply some
mastic or thick glue to the side that will contact the sheet rock. When
inserted into the wall, pull on the string so that the glue on the wood
contacts the sheet rock. Let the glue dry, cut the string, fill the
hole in the dry wall with patching plaster, and drill a new hole so the
screw holding the glass holder is secured by the wood rather than the
How did Home Depot put them out of business?
Did they block the entrance so customers could not get in? No
Did they sue the owners and force them out? No
Did the bribe town officials to condemn the store? No.
Did they have the utilities cut and leave them in the dark? No
People just like you and I put them out of business. We stopped going
there. We had a choice and we decided it was more important to save a few
pennies than to go to the local store for our needs. We decided that HD had
a better selection so we went there instead of the local store.
We complain that things cost too much so stores like Home Depot find cheaper
sources in places like China and we buy them. Then we are happy with the
price, but complain because we lost our manufacturing jobs to other
countries. Instead of spending the weekend at home enjoying friends and
family, we go to the mall and buy cheap stuff from overseas.
Pogo said: "we have met the enemy and it is us". That was over 45 years
ago and still true today.
Bravo! Very well said.
An excellent example of what happens when people confuse want with need
and try and get the maximum possible amount of goods for whatever amount
of income they have to spend.
(The same kind of people usually don't put anything away "for a rainy
day" and end up in a fiscal crisis if something stops their income for
even one paycheck.)
Well said facts Edwin.
Back in VT there was a hardware store that one day began a "closing the
doors" clearance. Had been there a long time. HD moved in like 6-12 mos
before. Was talking to they owner who I knew personnally. Basically said
the same as you just did. One comment that stuck was that when people
want a few loose nuts/bolts/washers they come by hoping to only have to
spend a nickel or two and not have to drive 5mi. When they need a hedge
trimmer they run to HD and Wally World.
Which store? The ACE (I think it was) in EJ never did have
anything to sell. They had no stock *years* before HomeDespot knew
VT existed. Several others were the same. Good riddance! OTOH,
there is a decent HW store on the other side of Burlington that's
expanded and a new ACE in S. Burlington opened about 1Mi. from the
No, some stores have no idea how to compete. They don't *DESERVE*
my patronage (come on Lowes!).
Exactly. There were a few really good HW stores in the
Poughkeepsie NY area when I lived there. HD came in in the mid
'90s. The good HW stores are still there and thriving. They had
exceptional inventory and service. Since they did a lot of
contractor volume their pricing wasn't all that bad either.
OTOH, the marginal stores had crap selection, no service to speak
of, and did such measly volume their prices were outta sight. In
short, they had nothing *to* sell. I don't owe a store my business
just because the owner may be a local.
Flanders got pretty bad in its last years too. They didn't have
all sizes of dimensional PT and left what they had laying in the
mud. They also copped an attitude with DIYers. I ended up going
there only for molding and such.
I posted this to another thread a few weeks ago. It never made it to my news
server. If it made it to yours and you read it, I apologize for repeating
Let's take a moment to remember how HD was able to get so big so fast. Go
back in time ~20 years. You need a special fitting to fasten some piece of
your house to some other piece of your house. You go to your local hardware
store and head for the counter to talk to the guy who dispenses this stuff.
There's no discernible line anywhere at the counter, but it's surrounded by
the guy's contractor buddies, who are milling around, smoking cigarettes,
and telling dirty jokes among themselves and occasionally transacting some
business. The guy at the counter ignores you for as long as he can, but
eventually you make a determined effort to make eye contact with him, so he
decides everyone would be more comfortable if he gets you out of there.
Counter guy: What do you want?
You: Umm. I need a connector for a frammitz device. It's made by Acme inc.
The label says it's part number ncc-1701.
Counter guy: Is that an inside fitting or an outside fitting?
You: Huh? How can I tell?
(Contractor buddies all laugh.)
Counter guy: Here's the pictures. Which one is it?
You: Well, it doesn't look like either of these. It's green, and kind of
(Contractor buddies all laugh.)
Counter guy: Must be an outside fitting. They haven't made inside fittings
in 30 years. Is it type 31A or ddb lzmdc ouaejk?
You: Well... I just know the part number.
Counter guy: Listen kid, when you know what you want, come back and we'll be
able to help you.
(Counter guy and contractor buddies resume what they were doing.)
Consider also what happened when you needed lumber. This time, somehow you
are prepared and know what you want. You negotiate the deal at the counter
and guy tells you to bring your truck out to the yard. You know right away
you're going to get laughed at when you show up with a car. The yard man
shows up 20 minutes after you pull in. He goes way back in the yard and
comes back with the wood. Of course, he selects the pieces and they are all
warped and cracked. If you complain, he sneers that that's all they have and
you can take it or leave it. Now you have to decide whether to face the
counter guy again (and get the same treatment when you try to buy at a
different hardware store) or just settle for what he gives you.
Meanwhile, the Home Depot opened up at the other end of town. The
contracting business was kind of slow (that's why all those contractors had
time to hang out at the counter at the hardware store). Home Depot offered
jobs to these contractors. They didn't pay all that well, but it was steady
work, indoors, with benefits. All they had to do was be courteous and
helpful with the customers. If you weren't sure what you wanted, the clerk
would listen to your whole story, tell you what you needed to know to make
sure you got the right part, and probably give you loads of advice on the
best way to do the job. It didn't take long for the homeowners to decide to
take their business to Home Depot.
Over the years, Home Depot became big and prosperous, and the stockholders
demanded that they squeeze out more profits, so they had to cut back on
expenses, meaning buying cheaper goods and paying the help less. The
contracting business picked up, and all the contractors they had hired (the
good ones anyway) went back to contracting. The only help left were the
losers or the oldtimers and idealists who were still clinging in vain to the
dream of a place where customers and staff interacted in harmony. Some of
the neighborhood hardware stores eventually got their act together, but
performance was inconsistent, so most homeowners just accepted what they got
at HD, since by this time, they were conditioned to the Big Box store
There's an Ace hardware and an independent lumber yard in town that
provide much better service than Lowe's or HD, that is, when they're
open (not after 6 on weekdays or 2 on saturday or ever on sunday),
which is the biggest impediment to doing business with them for a diy
homeowner with a full time job. Still, I try.
In a twist to your points above I think the box stores are becoming
more hostile to diy'ers and catering more to contractors. Lately I've
been encountering a condescending attitude from Lowe's staff
especially. That is if you can actually corner someone who will make
You went to different hardware/lumber stores than I did. The little
hardware stores had a wonderful array of esoteric stuff. True, there
was little call for many of the items but they carried them anyway.
Big, local hardware stores were a bit of a rarity but I was fortunate
to live in Honolulu and Kilgo's was available...they too have tons of
stuff and a staff that knows where they are and what they are for.
All the lumber places I went to would let me do my own picking. A
*long* time ago, you could pick and they would then mill to your specs
and load you up. That still exists some places (Mexico for one) but
probably not in the US.
There used to be a couple of fairly good lumber places near me where I
currently live (central Florida) but they are now "contractor only".
Nearest place I could buy now is 45 minutes away. Even though I can't
pick my own, it is easier to buy from NC and have it shipped to me by
truck. Lowes/HD don't have any worthwhile lumber...even their 2x4
studs would have been laughed out of town not too many years ago.
Seems to me that one of the biggest problems is the same as with
hamburgers...there are a couple of generations of people who have
never known a good one so they can't tell good from bad.
Take a popsicle stick or two and coat one side with rubber cement.
do the same with the inside of the wall. Let the cement dry long
enough to be tacky. Spear the middle of the popsicle stick with a
large safety pin. Insert the stick into the wall and shim the 90
degree bend of the pin to hold it in place. Fill the hole when the
cement is dry
Since you are gonna be mudding and painting anyway- a 'forever' repair would
be to run a piece of wood between the studs, flushed into the drywall. Mud
it in, sand smooth, and paint to match. If the wood is screwed to the studs,
and the shelf brackets to the wood, the glass will break before the mount
points ever do. This isn't a new trick- this is the best way to hang
I agree with using a 2x4 between the studs. I installed tub/shower
safety grab bars and cut openings from the other side to install 2x4
wood brackets. From the bathroom I was able to drive screws into the
brackets. I'm confident the grab bars will hold 300+ lbs. When I
removed the piece of drywall I did so carefully using a utility knife
so I could use it to screw back in place. I cut the drywall edges
centered on the studs to make the drywall repair easy.
If you can get mesh in there, how about glueing a chunk of wood across
the back of the hole. Then you will have something to screw to.
Fixall might make a pretty strong patch. It's pretty hard stuff when cured.
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