Getting slung off the bar doesn't cause the saw to
use more oil. Just means that the bar gets
hotter, unless you dial up the oil flow. 'Course
all you need to do is add a little Motor Honey or
That isn't true either, standard brands of motor
oil are more expensive unless you find a really
And obviously if you dial up the oil flow, you use more oil.
Or just use bar & chain oil to start with....
In that case, what possible point is there in using motor oil? More expensive,
and you need more of it, equals "bad idea" from where I stand.
Then there's your suggestion of adding STP... making a more-expensive
alternative even *more* expensive. I'm having trouble understanding why anyone
would want to do that...
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Simple. You don't buy motor oil in preference to
bar oil. But if you have oil that otherwise you
wouldn't use (bad brand, high viscosity, low
quality/service rating; somebody gives you oil; or
you buy oil on sale for less than 50 cents a
quart, then use it instead of buying bar oil.
BTW, adding STP/Motor Honey will add less than 50
cents to a gallon of oil. And then, maybe
somebody will give you the Motor Honey.
Scrotum or bladder cancer. No thanks ! Whatever you use as an oil,
you're also breathing it as an aerosol. I won't use engine oil and I
certainly won't use used engine oil.
There's also the issue of staining valuable timber with it.
Well, they <are> cutting trees, aren't they, the scum... :)
I really doubt the base of bar oil is any different than that for engine
oil...just viscosity and (perhaps) some specific additives, but I'd not
expect much there as the lubrication requirements are not onerous in
terms of temperature, pressure, tolerances, etc.
Yeah the dirty scum, of course a lot of the
smaller trees (15-16 inch diameter) are just
snipped off (no chainsaws) and the branches just
knocked off by pulling the log through a
"debrancher." Of course, if you look around a
logging site you will find diesel fuel spills,
hydraulic oil spills, gasoline spills, etc.
Actually they use sperm oil; no wonder the whales
are disappearing. Guess they will have to switch
to bovine oil or lard. Just think of cutting the
trees to the smell of frying bacon.
FWIW. I'm not an expert on chain saws, although I do own a Stihl. When I
was racing dirt bikes offroad, I always used what the bike shop recommended
on the chain.
This stuff was stickier than dog shit but it didnt fly off the chain and IT
DIDNT PICK UP CRAP like motor oil.
IIRC, "Beano" is an enzyme.......
FWIW, home distillers ( moonshiners ) are reporting it being as effective as
malt in converting ( hydrolizing ) complex starches into simple sugars.
Potatoes or corn, some yeast and "Beano", and you got yourself some
mash....thinking this also works at a lower temperature than the amalyse (
sp ) too.
Back to the oil--always seems to dissappear within a year or so from my
gravel drive, and I find it hard to believe its all being washed away by the
In fact, many municipalitys are now requiring a "grassy swale area" in order
that any oily runoff from parking lots, subdivisions, and other such largely
paved-over areas be allowed time in order to bio-process before the water
leaches back into the soil in recharging the local aquifer.
Well, no. Mostly that's to allow the runoff from storms to get into the
ground rather than the sewers. You get fined for excessive flow of
untreated sewage from your plant, and a storm overloads the system fast.
Not sure how it passed, but "environmentals" being the noisy folks they are,
there was an ordinance up in the city that newly-constructed lots had to
have "plantings" and grassy areas rather than just flat asphalt.
Now consider an average snowfall of ~200" and cars dripping with great salt
stalactites. Not a lot grows around the lot, and it's tougher'n hell to get
a plowing pattern to clear snow around the aesthetically pleasing curbs....
These all flow into a simple french drain...
If it weren't for the presence of contaminants then what need for the gently
sloped grassy swale???
Might as well just line a trough with concrete....
The area where we drained oil from tractors and trucks from as far back
as the 20s until toughly the 70s or 80s is now covered in grass and is
indistinguishable from that area surrounding it...when I was a kid it
looked like almost like a paved road. It's broken down pretty well.
Not a smart thing to have done, certainly, and I suspect a soil sample
would show some residual, but certainly doesn't appear permanent....
Certainly where there is either a pathway or the underground aquifers
are surface-replenished, that's an issue. Here the aquifer is not
surface-renewed at any significant rate at all, and while there are
areas where surface contamination can penetrate (abandoned unplugged
oil/gas wells being the prime culprit), there aren't any of those in
this particular location.
Not justifying what was (although common in the time) a poor choice,
simply noting it does appear that a great deal of recovery has occurred
in a relatively short time since the action ceased....
Well, of course...simply commenting on local conditions...it's not
<quite> a desert, but dry in comparison to most. It's a very sandy soil
but there's a caliche layer at about 2-3' under the surface that is
nearly impermeable. I'm sure some detailed soil sampling could find
some remnants near that layer...
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