On Friday, November 29, 2013 12:43:49 AM UTC-5, mike wrote:
There is a lot here we don't know. For one thing, depending on
the circumstances, it's not clear that just a slow drip is going to
keep a pipe from freezing. When I've done this I always left a
small steady stream flowing. And then you also have the problem
that with some faucets, you can set the flow and then after a few
minutes, the flow greatly reduces. How much water you need to
flow depends on the incoming water temp, pipe size, how exposed, etc.
Sometimes I've left the cabinet under the kitchen sink open to help
let more warm air in there, like when turning the heat in the house
down when going away for a week.
re: "There is a lot here we don't know."
Be careful with what you say in this thread. krw is listening intently.
When I suggested that "Bob" (remember "Bob", the OP that know one has heard
from since the 25th?) is the only one who can supply the details required
to actually know what the problem is, a couple of interesting things
1 - I joined krw's esteemed list of Internet Idiots.
2 - krw wanted to know why I insisted that "Bob" was an idiot and a liar.
Since I couldn't find a single instance where I referred to "Bob" as
anything other than "the OP" I figured krw had had a bit too much
Thanksgiving cheer and was having trouble reading. Any that point I figured
that responding would only enrage him more, so I just ignored him.
By implying that there is something that "Bob" hasn't told us, you might
just piss off krw. Once you do, he'll be forced to start each line of his
response with his trademarked "Idiot". He uses that word so often I wonder
if he's created a shortcut key (Alt-i, perhaps) so he doesn't have to type
it in every time.
On Friday, November 29, 2013 6:43:04 PM UTC-5, email@example.com wrote:
Inquiring minds want to know what exactly is wrong with that? As
the poster correctly points out, insulation only delays heat transfer.
If you have a pipe that's in an area that is constantly below freezing,
it will eventually freeze even if you have 3 ft of insulation around it,
unless you get some heat to it somehow.
On Sunday, December 1, 2013 12:28:56 PM UTC-5, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
There you have it folks. Typical krw. Makes a post falsely claiming someone is
wrong. And when someone else points out that the poster is correct and krw is wrong, he hurls insults and claims I'm looking for a fight.
"Insulating the pipe in an environment below
freezing without enough heat flow from somewhere, possibly flowing water,
does not prevent the pipe from freezing, eventually, no matter how
much insulation you put on it. "
"You're wrong, of course. "
Of course Mike is correct. krw, as is so often the case, is the one
who is wrong. Add this to krw's list of embarrassments.
I really cannot say, but I have heard that the dripping faucet thing does not
work for faucets. I do not remember from where, but I do believe it was a
reputable source. Take that at face value since I cannot confirm or refute
the claim. However, if true, then the same could be true for a P-trap. Without
true experimentation and repetitive results, how could one truly know? Old
wives tales and all, ya know.
Anyway, I have also heard that stuffing a wire coat hanger, with a slight bend and
rounded off tip (via pliers) stuffed down into the trap, and cut off flush with
the strainer basket conducts enough heat to keep things thawed. Once again, I
cannot not confirm this. Though, I do believe I heard about this a long time ago
on the Bill Wattenberg (sp?) show on KGO AM. At least 6 years ago.
I do know that the dripping faucet keeps my water supply from freezing whe
it gets below 32 . But then we live <for now> in a camping trailer out in
the woods ... with a little luck I'll get trusses up today on our new place
.. It's clad with plywood <OSB> , will be wrapped with 30 lb felt and hav
all double glazed windows . I hate being cold .
I've heard that hay bales around the skirting
helps a LOT, in keeping the cold wind out from
under your trailer. I should do some thing
here, but suspect that hay bales won't be
accepted by the management.
I skirted this place with 1" foam building insulation . Helps a lot . I
also cover all the windows with clear plastic - though the biggest problem
is that the aluminum windows have no thermal break in the frames , so they
sweat no matter what if it's cold out . I have a 250w halogen light under
there to help keep it above freezing so the holding tanks don't freeze which
also makes the floor a little warmer .
Why not just install one of those small recirculating pumps (Watts is
the mfg) that keeps your hot water at the tap. Pretty ingenious the way
it works. Small valve at the point(s) farthest from the water heater
which causes the hot water being pumped to that faucet to backfeed into
the cold water side - creating a closed loop. Water on the cold side
(throughout the pipe run) stays tepid and when you turn on the hot
water, you have hot almost instantly.
I installed the system in my home because I thought it would be nice not
having to stand around waiting on my heated tile bathroom floor for the
hot water to reach me.
No problem here with pipes freezing due to the locations of the runs but
if I did, this would surely cure it and, likely, be cheaper and more
effective in the long run than wrapping the pipes with heat tape.
The pump system is <$200 and installation is a breeze. If you can swap
out a faucet, you can install this.
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