On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:03:45 -0600, in alt.home.repair, Red Green
No ex-smoker was as surprised as I was after I quit. I've been around car
and diesel exhaust all my life, yet there is *something* about tobacco smoke
that is distintive and completely different. Bring me someone who was
around a smoker a week ago, and I can point him out. Show me someone who
thinks he can hide his smoking from his spouse, I'll show you someone who
was busted from the first minute. When you're in it, you can't notice
it...when you're out of it, you can't help but notice it. It's more
pervasive than anything I've ever known.
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The nice people who smoke are respectful and understand but
there are those afflicted with that "fuck you" attitude who
have caused the rash of laws to be passed affecting the right
of all adults to damage their bodies any way they choose.
There is such a thing as personal responsibility, you will
suffer the consequences for bad behavior, not just your own
bad behavior but the bad behavior of like minded people.
People who smoke who feel their rights are being violated
should be mad at the asshole smokers who have brought about
the crackdown. It's such a simple concept to understand.
Oh yea. They piss me off. Like the ones who flip butts on the ground when
there's a disposal nearby. Heck, if I'm in someones yard and there's no
disposal around, I knock the head off and carry it with me.
It sounds like you're being respectful of others. I'm reminded of some
experiments with the honor system, some newspapers will be put out on
an unlocked rack with a coin box listing the price. A certain class of
people with class (no pun) will unfailingly pay for the paper they take
but inevitably, the papers and or coin box is stolen. I think the number
of jerks in the population is increasing. That's why I like the concept
of two legged vermin traps.
I don't think the reason behind present spate of smoking bans is much at
all related to attitudes/behavior of smokers rather it is the
nanny-state mentality the do-gooders have engendered. I don't think the
folks passing these laws give a flip about attitudes one way or t'other;
they're all for we know better.
It has a lot to do with money, as well...cost to employers and M'caid in
covering health issues. Of course, we will all die someday, so the "end
of life" rise in health costs eventually tolls. Personally, those with
bad habits save the gov't. money (SS benefits) by dying sooner :o) OTOH,
not justifying smoking but I'm wondering when the huge increase in
obesity (many non-smokers and quitters) will overcome the savings in
illness and/or dollars brought about by smoking cessation. Smoking (and
some other really bad habits) came about, in part, to decrease appetite.
The US has lots of insane practices that cost us dearly, like "sex
sells"...sexually explicit ads geared to teens, crap food ads geared to
toddlers, and pharmaceuticals that nobody in their right mind would use.
Of course, three of the four major resources that built this country are
outlawed or unpopular....sugar, tobacco, slavery and cotton.
There are a fairly large number of studies suggesting that smoking
is actually a money maker for governments. While they lose money in the
short run to higher medical costs, etc., they more than make it back
from the savings related to their dying younger.
I get off on '57 Chevys
I get off on screamin' guitars
I doubt there are even that many short term medical costs. Most
smokers avoid the doctor because they get preached at to stop smoking.
They live in denial about their ailments until they are on death's
door and die soon after that.
That is the myth but not true in the long run because they die before
they have all the expensive old age procedures like cataract
operations, hip replacements and all those pills old folks take.
The burden on "entitlements" is far less. Non-smokers may live to be
100 but a smoker might not even get to Social Security and Medicare.
We have to look at it two ways. Even tho they live mostly shorter life
they have more ailments of various kinds than non-smokers. How many fire
is caused by careless smoking resulting in loss of life and property?
They stink. Their house inside stink, their draperies don't last long.
And second hand smoking is as deadly. In my city only place they can
smoke is inside their house.
Most of the fire deaths, though, are the person doing the smoking. Also
fire related deaths from smoking run about 2300 a year. Hardly a major
contributor to overall deaths. The loss in property is
hardly a cost to society or government.
I am skeptical of some of the second hand smoke proclamations, largely
because the first big one (appeared in JAMA or New England Journal of
Med.. I'd have to dig it out) cooked the books. They used a 90%
confidence interval. Most studies (including almost all of them used in
the analysis) use a 905% CI.
I get off on '57 Chevys
I get off on screamin' guitars
cotton isn't "unpopular" or outlawed....just not profitable compared to
Tobacco and slavery are immoral.
Now,in addition to the secondhand smoke problem....
People who smoke are overwhelmingly LITTERBUGS;
they toss their cig butts all over the place,along with the rest of their
smoking trash like disposable lighters,wrappers and empty cig packs.
The scumbags empty their ashtrays in parking lots.
Now,some fool is going to say that it's only a few bad ones who toss their
cig trash,but the vast amount of evidence alongside our roads and outside
building entrances says otherwise.
They also start fires.
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