I have a gravel road that deteriorated, has huge puddles when it
rains, and the water enters the building from the side.
The problem, I think, is that the slight grade that is there, is kind
of ruined and so the water does not go down along the road towards the
rain sewer. Instead, it puddles and some goes into my building.
Can this skid steer pictured here:
be used to rearrange that gravel a little bit to restore the grade?
Or is it too light duty?
Depends on the skill of the operator. I've had a good Bobcat guy do a couple of
very long mountain driveways with roadbase and they turned out very well. If you
were thinking you could do the work yourself, I'd be a little concerned.
Were you intending to use said skid steer, or do you have an operator in
mind? If it's you, I'd advise against it. You'll dig it up really good.
Worse than now. If it is another operator, it all depends on that operator.
I think if you do get it level, you will have the same puddling problem.
Bring in fill.
I agree with Robert Neville, the machine is capable, but only with a
qualified operator. Skid steers are very back heavy to compensate for
the lifting weight. Because of that it's difficult to use down pressure
to do grading or back blading. Personally I've found it much easier to
do with a compact 4WD backhoe loader.
NO This is probably why he is having the problem. If you just raise
the exterior grade without making provision for drainage you are just
compounding the problem. I would imagine that the building has weep
holes one or two bricks below finish floor. This becomes the highest
possible point for exterior grade - everything else has to be below that.
Looking at the picture, the first thing I would do would be to clean out
and kill all the vegetation along the exterior wall. Dig down and
verify existence of weep holes. Find the finish floor elevation and
establish it somewhere on the outside so you can shoot grade in relation
to finish floor. 30 minutes with a builder's level and driving some
grade pins should determine where to send the water. I would almost
venture to say that you may be removing some material rather than
bringing any more in.
Ig, the machine is capable and would make a great outdoor fork lift,
power broom, etc. The grading results would be VERY dependent on the
Keep the whole world singing . . .
The large bucket and short wheelbase of my tractor magnify the difficulties
of grading. When the front wheel drops one inch the bucket edge drops two
which amplifies the irregularities of the surface, like the self-sustaining
washboard pattern on a dirt road. I've watched a fairly experienced Bobcat
operator struggle to overcome this.
Mine has no downforce and floats on frozen ground on skid plates so it's
fine for clearing snow or moving piles of dirt, but almost useless for
excavating and grading.
My experiences operating them and watching operators is about the same.
They dig too much, and the wheelbase is too short. What I did see that
impressed me was a track bobcat with a thumb/bucket boom and a blade who
made short work of an uneven area I had. I was not optimistic when he
started, but man, he kicked the job out of the park in no time. Similarly
the same machine, but using a blade to bulldoze instead of a bucket that
goes up and down with whatever the tracks run over.
First you have to establish as Dan says the needed grade level then
where does the water have to go to get away from the building. It looks
quite flat in general; it may well be there never was any real
consideration for drainage w/ every lot being built sequentially up to
put their runoff onto the boundary and the heck w/ the end result to
elsewhere. Is that alleyway a city easement or purely private property
might have a bearing on whose job it is to reestablish grade on it if it
isn't just access to the rear of your building for your use alone but is
trash pickup, etc., etc., etc., ...
Dan, I have reviewed your lucid response, and will now make it my own with
It is very difficult to tell a lot from just a picture, not seeing the
thing, and not knowing your weather conditions, etc.
I think the PROPER way to fix it would be possibly to either make a lengthy
French drain with natural drainage if available, and if not, a sump pipe
with pump that will pump out water that seeps in.
If you are going to get serious about this at all, you might even consider
at some time concreting it so a hard wheeled forklift (3500# cap. variety)
could be used for loading/unloading.
Maybe after the first million. And don't count on PowerBall, I got the
I went to the auction site to pick up the skid steer.
Turns out that the skid steer that I won, was "accidentally" sold to
someone else, and the auctioneer tried to give me another one, hoping
that I would not notice.
That another one had 4500 hours on it, whereas the one that I was
bidding on, had 2,600 hours on it.
I explained to the auctioneer that it is like marrying a 26 year old
girl, who, upon closer inspection, turns out to be 45 year old.
Not quite a minor difference!
In the end, they refunded me.
Okay, he refunded the bid - And he paid you how much for your lost
time and effort, and the gas and vehicle expenses to get your little
trailer hitched up and come pick it up, only to find out it was
"accidentally" (BullF***ingS***) sold to someone else?
Not to mention the opportunity cost of the other bids and buys you
didn't make elsewhere because you thought you had that one locked up.
That's not a little Oopsie you can easily dismiss. You'd be well
within your rights to shout to the heavens and literally go after the
guy's balls - he's got state licenses, professional association
memberships, and Auctioneer's Surety Bonds you can go after...
In that business you don't "have accidents". You bid $13,500, and
someone probably walked up to him after the auction and made a better
offer to drive it away today, and he (or an employee) did it. I want
to know names, so I never go anywhere within three states of this
You would be well within your rights to make him cough up the goods as
represented, Period. Or a significant amount in damages to cover your
losses in this transaction.
And please don't tell me you signed a full release to get the refund.
--<< Bruce >>--
And they potentially made a lot more selling the same item to someone
else, and Iggy lets them off for free. Great day for the auctioneer
if they can pull stuff like that off every day with no consequences.
Iggy potentially lost thousands on the deal. He could have used it
for his paving project, put in a little effort into cleaning it up,
then resold it for a serious profit - that will never happen.
--<< Bruce >>--
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