While the time was in daylight savings time mode, I always fed my dog
at precisely 5pm. Now they changed the time and 5 oclock is actually
4 oclock. If I feed him now, he may get a digestive problem from
being fed an hour early even though the clock still says its 5 oclock.
If I wait until the 6 oclock, which is actually 5 oclock, then he may
notice the difference in the sun position and not want to eat, or will
eat too fast to compensate and thus get a digestive upset. Now, I
noticed that the raingutters on my house form the shadow on his dog
house. I am contemplating moving the rain gutters forward enough to
change the shadow by one hour. I realize this will require either
adding to the overhang on my house, or removing part of the existing
overhang. I am not sure which it is. Can someone tell me whether to
add to, or remove part of the overhang, and how many inches will
compensate for one hour's worth of shadow variance. I also am
wondering if changing from my present 4 inch wide gutter to a 6 inch
size would adjust the sun's angle enough to cope with at least part of
the hourly variable and rather than ripping the roof apart, I could
possibly change to a six inch gutter and add some sort of extension to
the gutter edge. Of course this all depends on whether I need to add
to the roof, or subtract from it, which I am still unsure.
Please advise. I already have a sick dog after only one day of time
change and it will continue to get worse if I do not act quickly. I'd
hate to lose my dog as a result of this time changing. My dog is my
best buddy and he needs the best of care.
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:48:32 -0600, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I wish the government would not mess with our clocks! I still have
not changed all of them. To make matters worse there are a couple
places in the US that refused the time-changes. grrrrrrrrrrrrr
I agree. OP is obviously being facetious but going through this ritual
twice a year is a PITA. I have a fax machine that I defy anyone to try
changing without the manual in front of them. Even one atomic clock gets
wacky and switches back and forth.
If I recall the time change was originally done for the farmers but my
memory is a bit fuzzy on this. Personally I find it a bit annoying
changing the clock twice a year too. I wonder if we just changed it
say 1/2 hour permanently and did away with the 1 hour back and forth
changes, if that would be adequate to make everyone (well better to
say almost everyone) happy?? I'm willing to compromise but heck I'm
easy :( .
Certainly is! :( (We farmers are typically the ones most ag'in it--it's
the city slickers who want their weekends barbeques to start early).
Actually, the original idea in the US was first widely proposed by
Franklin and, was then, as now, designed w/ the idea of maximizing
office hours w/ daylight as an energy conservation measure--in those
days, candle tallow/whale oil/etc.
Now, it's justified by the same, but as noted is mostly the office
workers' dream to have time for their round of golf in the afternoon.
Meanwhile the farmer is still on the sun, year-round. It simply means
his day doesn't end until after 11PM by the clock if he changes it in
the midsummer days...
It was originally proposed by Benjamin Franklin and put into law in the
US to save energy during WW1.
I think right now just like ethanol it is feel good stuff. Drivers
operating their single occupant aircraft carriers waste far more energy
than we can hope to save.
Dang! Ol' Ben really was gettin' long in the tooth by then, I bet! :)
My recollection is that while it wasn't codified until the Rationing Act
of WWI, it was actually utilized at least some in Ben's day because
candle tallow, etc., were scarce resources...
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 08:12:35 -0600, observer wrote:
Farmers dont use clocks. I know, I am one. When the crops need
planting or harvesting, we often work around the clock, or we get up
at sunrise no matter what the clock says and we feed our animals.
Farmers dont punch time clocks. The weather dictates our schedule as
well as sick animals and crop readiness. My animals dont care if the
clock says 6am or 7am, as long as they are fed at sunrise (or whatever
time they are fed). When an animal is sick, whether it's 8am, noon,
or midnight, we have to be there to take care of them, and expect our
vets to come at any hour of the day or night. Time changes do
absolutely nothing for farmers, and those farmers that do also work
full time jobs actually lose an hour of light at the end of the day
(after their full time jobs) once the daylight savings time is over.
People that work in offices and factories are the one that punch time
clocks and are affected. Personally, if I worked a timed job, I'd
rather have it light for a short while when I get home from work than
have extra light when I am going to work. At least an extended
evening allows for some outdoor home repairs, whereas earlier in the
morning dont allow for much of anything.
What type of operation, where?
We're SW KS; dryland wheat, milo, heifer stockers/feeders on wheat
pasture (if we have any; don't even have it drilled this year, what more
up to pasture :( ) over the winter...
FOR the farmers? Yeah, right. Everybody else operates by what the
clock says. Farmers operate by the position of the sun. They can't go
out to harvest certain crops until the dew is off, and daylight
savings time "delays" their ability to start harvesting by an hour.
Instead of being able to start at noon, they can't start until 1PM.
The cows need to be milked at 5PM and 5AM because the milk pickup guy
works by the clock, and that clock says he picks up the milk at 8AM.
It's got to be in the tank and cold when he comes, or it doesn't get
picked up at all and must be dumped on the ground. The farmer's lost
an hour of valuable harvest time because of daylight savings.
No, daylight savings time is for the city folks and suburbanites, so
they have an extra hour of "play" time after work during the summer.
If they don't operate by the clock, why does that matter?
How so? The sun goes down at the same time no matter what the clock says.
If the farmer is not operating buy the clock, that should not matter.
Partly true, some of us do take advantage of that time to do some work when
we get home. If I was in charge of time, I'd keep DST year round where I am
in the time zone, maybe move it another hour ahead..
Overall, your analysis is right, Edwin. It's more simply a case of
being a pita in having to do some things on "city time" even when it
doesn't match rather than any actual loss. We don't dairy so can't
comment specifically on whether any of the pickups are so rigid in
following the time switch or not -- really can't imagine so in these
days for sizable dairies, anyway. The dairies around here milk 24/7,
anyway, w/ only about a 3-4 hr window when they do the cleaning, etc.
Other than that, there's always a group in line waiting to be milked and
another on the way back out...
Banking and other services that are "early closers" anyway are
especially problematical. Mundane stuff can, of course, be taken care
of via the 'net these days, but some things aren't conducive (discussing
next year's operating capital plan, for instance). Of course, those
kinds of things aren't scheduled to happen routinely during peak harvest
or planting time, but if there's any area where "stuff happens", ag
qualifies, so one never knows.
During harvest and planting seasons the grain elevators and fuel
suppliers that do farm deliveries work extended hours, too; as do the
equipment dealers for parts, etc. Other ancillary services may or may
not and sometimes that can be a problem when their 5PM closing is still
middle of the afternoon for us.
It is somehow disconcerting, even if it is only psychological, to still
have daylight at nearly 11PM. Of course, those in more northern
latitudes are more used to that, but still, for them the same effect
must still hold. I find it much like traveling to the West Coast from
the East--you tend to go to bed on western time but awake on
eastern--after a while this gets really old.
Most anything goes at any time any more (be that good or bad) at least in
the city. Twenty years ago, who'd have ever thought banks would be open on
a Sunday? Of course, farmers work Sundays too.
You must be on the tail end of the time zone and I'm on the front end. That
alone makes quite a difference in perception. On the longest day, it is dark
Regionality comes into play also. When I lived in Philadelphia, typical
shop hours were 8 - 4. Here in northeast CT, 7 - 3 is more common and 6 - 2
is often done too.
As for farmers, they have a good life. The Farmer's Market is open three
days a week from 4 to 6 from May to October. No wonder they have to get $3
a pound for tomatoes. :)
Well, that may be true in the city, but it isn't in rural areas. We
happen to be relatively close to the one decent-sized town that has a
Wally-World and there is a branch bank there. Being as I so rarely am
in there, I don't know whether they have any Sunday hours or not -- I
suppose they probably do since it's the most popular spot for the
packing plant employees, but I'd almost wager there's nothing more than
a teller window on Sunday. And, of course, anything that I needed to
discuss that couldn't be done online or over the phone couldn't be
handled at the branch location, anyway. Here it's still local banks,
local folks, business the handshake way...
Yes. When we were in VA were much more nearly in the middle of a zone
plus being in the shadow of the Blue Ridge made days there end quite
early it seemed. Here and where we were in TN, we're on the very edge
of the zone. As I noted in another response, many of the area counties
simply swap back and forth between Central and Mountain zones and never
move the clocks. Only the counties that have large enough towns that
the townies can out-vote the rest do they actually change. That of
course, includes our county w/ the largest town in 80 mile radius and
the sizable packing plant hourly workforce.
Yeah, right... :)
It's akin to teaching -- you don't do it for the money or you're in the
wrong line of work.
I had a digital wristwatch for years. 4 buttons for various function
combos. What a PITA figuring out changing that.
I threw it out and got an analog WM-673 years ago. It still runs
Not sure if they still sell that one but I'm sure they still have a
model similar to the WalMart $6.73.
This proves how stupid they are. The supposed reason for the time
change is so the kids going to school have light when they leave in
the morning. I can totally understand this, but DUH, HUH, DUH......
Wouldn't it make more sense to just make the schools start an hour
later on the first weekend in November when we have to change the
clocks and leave the rest of the world alone? If there are a few
businesses that want to follow the same policy, let them do the same
on their own accord. After all, schools and businesses set their own
agenda anyhow, and if they want to change their schedule, let them.
Heck, some businesses have 3 shifts and are open 24 hours a day.
Those that work the graveyard shift are always going to work in the
dark. I guess the government dont think we as individuals, or
schools, or businesses are smart enough to make and adapt our
schedules, so they have to do it for us.
Of course, we're not smart enough people to decide whether we want to
wear seatbelts, allow smoking in our restaurants, know what time to
close a bar, determine what sexes are allowed to marry, who can
install our plumbing, and much more. Lets face it. We the people are
complete idiots. We must have the government to think for us, or we
would all perish. We need them for our survival. And of course they
need us to keep paying all their fines for not wearing a seatbelt and
so on, or they'd all have to stop driving their limosines and begin
driving compact cars. Heaven forbid that.....
Take a digital thermometer and rip out the internal mechanism. Find a
small digital clock and put it in the thermometer. You MUST be able to
adjust the clock to any time you want. Insert the thermometer into
your dog's rectum far enough that his digestive system will pick up the
emanations from it and be fooled into thinking the time is actually 5
PM at meal time. This way you can always feed the dog at anytime that
is convenient for you. You also won't have to get near your gutters,
even to pull leaves out.
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