To those of you who responded to my post about a contractor who
switched from Benjamin Moore to Behr, more info. I went over to Home
Depot today and asked the people there for their story on Behr. They
said that a new consumer report had listed Behr #1 in study of paints
weathered for five years. They also said that Behr had recently hired
away three top scientists from Benjamin Moore. My painter had told me
this story about the scientists as well. It had the ring to me of the
kind of urban legend/propaganda that gets passed around and becomes
truth. Anyone know one way or the other? Just curious.
For those who were wondering, I found the Behr on sale at Home Depot
for $18.99 a gallon. The Benjamin Moore "Moorglo Softgloss medium
0962b" which the painter had been using can be found on sale for
I think you are right with thinking HDs explanation is just BS. Behr *used*
to be good until they got hooked up with HD. I have some properties and on a
few occasions needed paint when the local Sherwin-Williams store was closed.
The Behr super duper best quality paint is not even close in quality to the
standard Sherwin-Williams paint we usually use. I can't comment on Benjamin
Moore because it doesn't sem to be commom here but there are 2
Sherwin-Williams stores within 10 miles.
What they didn't tell you is, it wasn't the Behr paint which is available at
HD. It was Behr which is available at local dealers.
I don't know what it takes to get people to understand HD & Lowes order
items to _their_ specifications. You are not getting the same product as
when you purchase through your local dealer on certain items. In this case
I don't put much stock in consumer reports. It is influenced by answers
through questioners of it's subscribers.
I have yet to see a paint specification through invitation to bid, listing
Behr as the product to use. Two major players are used, BM & SW.
Their paint test evaluations are not based on subscribers opinions. Yes,
their vehicle and appliance frequency of repair stats are based on thousands
of subscribers' views, of which I am a part, but not paint. I view CR simply
as a starting place. I, too, have been disappointed with some CR
recommendations, for reasons they did not foresee in their testing, but I
would rather get chemical engineers' test results on paint properties than
rely purely on some (possibly) unqualified guy's personal opinion on the
web. I still use Ben Moore almost exclusively for interior jobs, which no
longer rates at the top of the list, but the CR report by itself will
probably not change my allegiance to Moore, but in future I may indeed
choose Behr for some applications. OTOH, I have had seriously good luck with
a rather poorly evaluated brand of ext. house paint: Kelly Moore, as it has
lasted longer than other outside paints I have used.
Says who? You? Prove it....cause your web link sure doesn't.
Maybe yes, maybe no. Again, what are your credentials? You don't put much
stock in consumer reports...
I put NO stock in anonymous internet "experts" who provide no credility
whatsoever...just unsubstantiated opinion.
CR has a track record of unbiased testing. You have none.
<snip cry baby's whining>
Well Mr. know nothing. I do over $3M in painting a year. You can bet only
homemoaners that are naive, subscribe to CR.
You could bet your HD nickels that no professional uses Behr except your
typical drunk weekend warrior painter.
I don't have to prove professionals choose BM & SW, it's already been
Don't believe me? Ask any professional which paint they use. And I'm not
talking about standing out in front of your local HD asking the drunkards.
On 28 Aug 2004 13:38:55 -0700, email@example.com (TB) wrote:
The only thing that matters is the prepration...hire a painter who
will take the time to pressure wash, caulk, sand, etc. The brand
name means nothing--paints all contain the same thing--pigments,
binders, and fillers. Who can prove one paint brand is better than
The contractor is 100 x more important than the paint.
Disagree. Preparation and the contractor's attention to detail are very
important, but a low quality paint simply won't last as long as a higher
quality paint. No matter how good the prep and application work is, if the
paint chalks or fades after two years, it is going to look BAD...
When it comes to paint, you get what you pay for. END OF STORY.
Paint technology isn't rocket science. Anyone can make either high
quality or low cost paint but not at the same time.
The Behr garbage will require more coats, more labor, and it'll fail
sooner. Take your choice.
firstname.lastname@example.org (TB) wrote in message
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