All the TV home repair shows recommend connecting
plumbing fixtures and clothes washers through steel braided
supply lines, but I noticed the hose inside those lines is just
unreinforced clear vinyl.
Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood
my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?
I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but
copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher. So are there steel
braided supply lines that have reinforced hoses in them?
On Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:00:26 PM UTC-4, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I see the same thing, that various sources are recommending them.
Even if the inside is a traditional type hose material, I think the
steel braiding is there to prevent a sudden, catastrophic blowout.
If you prefer copper, why can't you use it for a dishwasher? It's
been used for decades for that. Mine uses it. The connection is
near the front, so you can hook it up after the unit is in place.
Line goes underneath, no problem.
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:13:42 -0700 (PDT), " email@example.com"
Exactly. The stainless braid keeps the rubber inside from developing
a bulge. It might develop a leak but it won't suddenly rupture, like
The last one I installed specified stainless braided hose. There was
no room to get one's fingers underneath to connect anything after it
was installed. Nice dishwasher (Electrolux); more vertical space than
other models. Very quiet, too. We'll replace the one (contractor's
crap) in this house with one, in a year or so.
The braiding IS the reinforcing.
Avoid like the plague, especially upstairs where a leak could be a greater
(Usually at night when water pressure is highest)
At some point they let go.
They are for mickey mouse plumbers that can't make the pipework fit.
“Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood
my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?”
Steel or metal is always better than nylon, plastic or rubber.
“I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but
copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher.”
Soft copper tubing was all everyone used to use on dishwashers for fifty ye
ars. I like to flare the ends and use flare fittings instead of compression
myself. If you use soft copper for faucets you need to use a lockridge to
ol if you know what that is. I stopped using soft copper though because I d
on’t trust the Chinese quality control. Those water heater copper connect
ors used to last longer than the water heater until they started making the
m with thinner copper.
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:00:26 -0700 (PDT), firstname.lastname@example.org
I don't see why not. The copper can connect by removing the lower
front panel, and isn't that the way a flexible hose connects anyhow?
OTOH, I wouldn't want to use copper for the clothes washer because it
has to be bent everytime It's necessary to pull he washer away from
the wall or put back.
On 08/29/2013 06:00 PM, email@example.com wrote:
I used a Watts brand stainless braided hose for my (incoming) water
heater connection. I was very suspicious of not using a copper flex,
but researching the inner core material (Santoprene from ExxonMobile)
revealed that it was designed for a high lifespan in extreme
(temperature, pressure, chemical resistance) environments.
On 8/29/2013 6:00 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It makes people feel better to say "stainless steel" but the reality is
that these hoses can and do break and flood houses. My friend recently
had that happen causing thousands of dollars in damage.
What you want are flood-safe hoses.
What part of it broke? Did a strand snap and the weave come undone?
Did the stainles steel separate from the hose end and the inner hose
I don't see how either of those could happen so I'd like to hear
details of what was wrong with the hose after it was over.
Rather expensive I would think and not really necessary to deal with
this inlet water problem.
In all cases where the on-off function is controlled electronically,
and not just based on how full the appliance is (like a water heater
is), there's a much easier solution: Put the control valve, usually
solenoid operated, outside the appliance where it can be plumbed into
the household piping. Now there would be no flexible line under
pressure except when the appliance is actually filling so bursting
would be much less likely.
One wonders why the appliance manufacturers haven't implemented such a
solution or at least made it an option. Maybe they all own flexible
line tubing companies? Or the contractors who make money out of the
repair work threaten a boycott?
Afaik no one has used the word flexible before, and on google there
seems to be two main choices for that word, corrugated copper tubing
shaped like an accordian, like what is used for gas lines at a stove,
and soft copper tubing that is a smooth tube but can be bent by hand.
I think Higgs meant the second.
Which did you mean?
On Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:19:06 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
I've never seen a corrugated copper tubing used for connecting
a stove. In fact, I've never seen corrugated copper tubing period.
The concept would seem to be pointless, as regular copper tubing
is flexible. And if you corrugated copper tubing to make it more
flexible, it would seem to me it would be halfway to failure before
you started to use it. The corrugated gas pipes I have seen have
been stainless steel tubing. And the copper tubing I've seen used
in the past with any gas equipment has been the regular type.
I think so too. And that is commonly used to connect dishwashers.
On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 06:30:49 -0700 (PDT), " email@example.com"
Free high resolution close up photo of a small section of flexible
copper pipe or tubing. This particular pipe is corrugated or grooved.
Free picture for any use.
I wanted to know if Nestork meant something different by adding the
word flexible, when others had used "soft".
Some dishwasher give no room underneath to work (maximize interior
space). Connecting the tubing after installation is impossible. The
supply can't be connected before installation because there is too
much chance of kinking the supply line, without knowing it's kinked.
Stainless is the best alternative.
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