At least according to extraction theory, dividing a fixed amount of
rinse water into more than one rinsing (aliquots) should be more
effective, provided the volume of water in each doesn't get
Does a bubble bath clean better than a regular one? And by "bubble",
do you mean bubbles of air or other gas IN the water, or suds ON TOP
OF the water?
replying to Paul M. Eldridge, Brandon Davis wrote:
Funny guy. Laundry detergent is more expensive than it was. Water cost a little
less than a penny a gallon. Free if u pump it urself out of ground. Top loaders
cost less up front and last longer. They typically clean better than front
loaders. They typically dont challenge ur families life because their full of
mold. They wash more clothes at once. If the concern is clothes wearing out
faster so be it front loaders win but ive not met anyone who complains their
washer made there shirt last 10 yrs instead of 11.
We have two front load washers (one for us, one for our tenants). Ours
is a roughly 9 years old Maytag Neptune, the other is a roughly 10-11
years old Frigidaire. So far we've had one repair for the Neptune to
replace a blown fuse Other than that, they have been no trouble and are
workhorses. We especially like the fact the clothes are half-way dry
when we transfer them to the dryer. Clothes from a top loader tend to
be wetter coming out of the washer and thus take longer to dry.
Our water bill covers both our and our tenant's water usage so it makes
sense to do what we can to keep things under control. This was
especially true 3 years ago when we had the clean-freak, extremely
uptight* tenant from heck who washed 2-3 loads every day - more if she
was especially anxious.
*How uptight? The first week she lived in the apartment, she complained
about the noise of the acorns from our oak tree falling onto the lawn
and demanded that we do something about it.
I can sympathize. Years ago I had a basement tenant (a single girl)
who would do one to two loads a day and for the life of me I could
never understand how this would be possible.
My den was also directly above her kitchen and whenever she did the
dishes she turned on the hot water full blast and left it running so
that she could rinse them in the adjoining sink as she went (I knew it
was hot water because within a minute or so you'd here a faint "woosh"
as the gas water heater kicked on). I'd literally have to get up from
my desk and leave the room because the sound drove me crazy. By the
time I bought my next home I swore I'd never rent again.
If you don't like the assembly price, you are certainly free to replace
at component parts level, you'll just have to measure the bearings and
whatnot and lookup the standard part numbers and get the parts from
regular suppliers, not the appliance manufacturer. I've done this
myself, and in some cases I've fabricated replacement parts that were
not available separately and fixed the design flaws that caused them to
fail while I was at it.
Front loaders have been around for a long time in the commercial
environment including Laundromats.
The early front loaders certainly had their problems. Some, but not all
the later problems are much better. I suggest checking out Consumer's
reports (they are far from perfect, but they are the best easily available
information) for information on what is reliable.
My daughter has an LG and loves it. Has had it for about a year.
Exceedingly quiet ... it is on carpeted floor, main level of home, and
you can't hear it outside of the room it is in. It will hold a ton of
at one time. Has steaming feature, which I doubt that I would use. For
any washer, having it level goes a way in preventing problems.
Here in Europe front loaders are the norm. I haven't seen a top loader in
the ten years I've been here. We have a 10 year old machine from a Swiss
maker called Zug. Runs about 10 loads a week (2 families on a farm with
cows and a great dane, we make a lot of laundry). So far it hasn't needed
any service at all.
On Mar 11, 2:29�pm, email@example.com wrote:
compare top load vs front load washer price. how much more does front
how many loads a week do you do. water savings on those loads, plus
add a little for dryer savings, since front loads spin out better...
now cost of water and sewage, around here its near 6 bucks a thousand.
regular top load use 40 gallons front load say half that.
so a front loader saves at 2 loads a week 20 gallons of water and
sewer saved per load 40 gallons a week, times 52 weeks a year = 2080
gallons of water. at 6 bucks per thousand thats just over 12 bucks a
year in water and sewer savings, so say $15 and lets be generous and
double that for drying energy saved so the total is 30 bucks a year,
and lets assume hot water saved is equal to another 15 bucks now
before anyone complains front loads are easier on clothes, so lets add
the 15 buck savings for less clothes wear. at most if you are really
lucky you might save 90 bucks a year........
but the front load costs at least twice as much so it might take you 5
years before any savings begin, and if you had invested the money
somewhere else that diminishes the return on the front load
geez your savings is near zip in the lifetime of the unit, one
breakdown and your out money.
I believe my savings estimates are on the generous side........... but
your mileage may vary.
front loaders were designed by the marketing department for the
expressed purpose of greater profits............
Dont bother with F & P if you arent happy about having to by replacement
parts as "assembles". I had one, the seal on the pump went, happens no big
deal, easy 2 minute job to get the old pump out. To replace the seal you
only need to unscrew the impeller and slip the seal off. But you cant buy
the seal just a new pump ($60au about 10 years ago) Later on one of the PCB
boards went, F & P had no idea which one so was going to replace the lot for
$450+. Now have an Asko front loader so far its been great. As far as water
goes the F & P used about 200l a load, the Asko about 30l. (the F & P used
about 10l a load just to "change gear")
Oops i was talking to the OP, I didnt mean to imply that other makers were
better or worse, just that if he wasnt happy buying assembles he better look
He was a F & P tech from F & P in a F & P van, so while it might not be the
machines fault, it is F & P's. The self diagnosis lite up with an invalid
error code so he said the board needed replacing, but the boards only as a
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