Any tricks for getting "contractor" discount on supplies

Marketing can be over rated. I think I would still go to McDonalds if they did NO advertising.

It all depends on your market niche. I was a steel erection contractor. I had the smallest yellow page ad you could get. I was AAA Welding, but they still messed up the alphabet and put me farther back in the listings rather at the first a few times over the years.

I targeted the businesses I wanted to have as customers. I realized the size I wanted to grow to. I achieved that, and upon selling the business had 275 apartment projects and companies as steady clients. I can remember getting only one good contact from the yellow pages, that one being U-Haul that I went on to do all their carport repair work for.

Most people who called me from the yellow pages were tirekickers, and homeowners who cried when I told them how much I wanted to send a truck, two experienced men and $25,000 worth of equipment to their house for a couple of hours to fix their problems. And their conversation usually started with, "I need you to come finish a job that some unlicensed person flaked out on."

Referrals were the best. Good customers referring other good customers. And managers that transferred from property to property, and called me from each.

I did a good job. I was on time. I didn't overcharge. I guaranteed my work 100%, and if there was a problem, it was put to the top of the list, and I didn't tell people they had to wait a week.

The last year in business myself and one helper had a gross intake of $334k. The man who bought the business went out into all directions of modifications and new services and new things, bigger building, new car for wifey, new trucks, and lasted three years before going bankrupt. He drove a new truck every year, and advertised on TV, something I never considered.

Marketing is a great thing if you're selling advertising.

Steve

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Steve B
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You make a good point. It is the business of the contractor and no one here should ever want to better understand what they are paying for and why they are paying. We should never question authority or contractors. We should never try to gain knowledge. I also thing we should take some of the TV shows off the air that tell us how to do things on our own. Education is evil.

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Edwin Pawlowski

Yep, I agree that the costs of running a professional business are very high. That factor along with the fact that the field has an ample percentage of conmen and hacks has given rise to the DIY option.

New online HVAC sites are popping up left and right. Some even promote a co-op arrangement where the homeowner does the rough in and they find you a tech. for final connections/checkout. (just like buying your tires at Tire Rack and taking them to the shop for installation and in the process save a bundle).

R410A is making this easier by not requiring EPA licenses. (yes venting is still illegal but most systems come precharged). New refrigerant developments with no ODP and no greenhouse gas effect could really accelerate this shift.

When you can buy and install the components for $2500 that a contractor normally charges over $10,000 for then the economics will shift an increasing portion of HVAC to DIY. (Throw in $1000 for misc. tools and supplies and it's still a huge savings).

The next phase will be when a manufacturer steps up and offers simple lineset connections and strikes a deal with Home Depot and Lowes. (ie precharged/no brazing needed)

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james

Yer an idiot. Conmen and hacks are in every profession. You havent checked out fully how the co-op arrangement works. The online co. sells you equipment and "tells" you they will help you contact a company to help install it or just start it up for you. What they dont tell you is that all they do is send out letters asking companies like mine if I would call you and give you a free estimate for your little furnace party. I havent found a company yet that will work for labor only. The only ones that will are the ones you dont want in your home. Otherwise, I charge you for the estimate, I figure in my labor I add in the equipment profit just as if Id bought it and I give you one price. Once its finished you have no warranty because I dont provide it if I dont purchase the equipment and the Goodman equipment you bought has no warranty if purchased over the internet. Its listed right on their website. Pre-charged lines sets have already been thought up. Most of them disappeared. They leak at the connections. Thats why we braze shit. Hope you have/had fun with your project. Bubba

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Bubba

In this thread contrractors do indeed need to make a living and what they charge is the going rate. As a consumer I try to do as much as I can as my income was always modest and every dollar counts. This NG is an excellent forum to discuss and to evaluate if I can do the job myself. The only subject I won't DIY is gas installations. But anything that doesn't require fiddling with the gas supply and connections itself is easy enough to do.

The argument here is its a natural conflict between the consumer and the contractor that each needs to get the best bang for his buck. As manufacturers improve their products for DIY consumers (1) contractors will have to raise their prices for what work there remains. No one should get hot under the collar when a contractor quotes a price way out of what the consumer thinks it is worth. The alternative is learn to do it yourself or get a friend to help out. If its something that you cannot do, for example pour concrete, then you have to pay the going rate.

(1) A excellent example of changing economics is computers and their peripherals which are fairly big ticket items. But who repairs them any more? Just a very few such business are left and their bread and butter is mostly board and parts swapping for which they have to charge rates that often make it worthwhile to just buy a new and better unit.

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PaPaPeng

Goedjn, McDonalds' 2006 4th Quarter Report showed a 22% Net Profit **AFTER TAXES** on 5.6 BILLION dollars sales for 3 months. What contractor of any size does

22% net profit? No, better yet who in the f*ck does 22% net profit **AFTER TAXES**?

See it for yourself at:

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Jabs

So...

How's that all working out?

Rob

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trainfan1

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