Even though I haven't been around this group in a long time, I'm sure
this is "another" A/C question.
I was referred to a site that sells A/C products. They make great
claims for something called R22. Among other things, they state that
greater and easier compressibility means colder temps out of the house
vents and less strain on the compressor.
I'm thinking of using another of their products in my car A/C (and I
do have recommendations from friends that have changed over), but I'm
wondering if anyone has any experience/knowledge of this material that
isn't selling it.:)
Oh, the site is http://autorefrigerants.com/22a.htm
Thanks, guys, (and gals). I've learned an incredible amount of stuff
from this group!
Enviro-Safe Refrigerants are hydrocarbon refrigerants that are
6 oz. of Enviro-Safe is equivalent to 18 oz. of R-12 or 16 oz. of R-134a.
12 can/cases of ES-12a can be ordered for only $59.00 at the "Buy Now" in
the upper left corner of this page(server is securely encrypted at the
credit card page).
I think you're right "hydrocarbon refrigerants". Hey, back in the day when
EPA wasn't on the scene, R22 and R12 were chosen because they are safe, and
incredibly effective at carrying heat. From what I know, we havn't found
much better than R-22.
Yeah, Stormin, I am an A/C guy. A friend bought a bunch of the stuff (
forgot what the name of it was--Duracool comes to mind). Anyhow, he sold
the cars he was going to use it in, so he gave the stuff to me. When the
need came up, I decided to give it a try. True, it is flammable, but so
is the 40 gallons of gas in the tank. OK, so my Suburban is a Diesel. If
I get into a wreck and smash up the condenser, The stuff will most
likely dissipate before it causes any problems-- if not ?? Larry
I heard that about hauling around a fuel tank. Everything in the world is
dangerous, we just have to choose our dangers.
I'm remembering a story I heard many years ago about a fellow who was using
a flammable R-12 replacement. He'd just changed a compressor on a
refrigerator. He'd neglected to vacuum out the air, and then charged in some
of the flammable mix. Now, we have air and propane under pessure. He powered
up the compressor, and exploded about half the house.
Since autos use a belt drive system, that's less of a concern. But, enough
to get you thinking.
a pleasure to meet you.
This is Turtle.
The R-22-A is for home hvac systems and R-12-A is for auto's.
This auto stuff is Freeze-12 and you can buy it at any appliance warehouse or
store. Public can buy it for it is nothing but dehydrated propane or Butane. I
think Auto zone still sells it and it's called freeze-12-A .
I have used in some cars but only ones with Real R-12 in them because thec134-A
type systems really don't get any better with it in there for the 134-a in them
for they have the bigger coil to make up for it. I really don't think it helped
very much on the 134-A systems but on the older R-12 systems it did make a
difference verses the 134-A replacement in it.
Now the prices for Freeze-12 is a little high on their website compared to auto
I'm rather suspicious of this.
1) When I took my EPA cert in 1994, we were told that it's illegal to mix
2) Selling refrigerants without a license?
3) It says that one pound of their stuff equals 2.5 pounds of R-22. I very
highly doubt that.
Doesn't make sense to me.
this 22a stuff is bogus
if they ever find a more efficient drop-in replacement for R-22 than is not
flammable and doesn't leak out at different rates due to being a blend (not
good), it will be all over CNN and every other news outlet.
"If it sounds too good to be true........"
"there's a sucker born every minute"
"a fool and his money are soon parted"
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