I belong to a little brick bungalow in the midwest US, built in
1954, poured-concrete foundation.
Original aluminum windows with inside pane, screen, and storm pane. I've not
seen any identifying marks on them, and can't tell how/if they dis-assemble.
Is there any way to determine who made them and how they dis-assemble?
The glaze on about half the windows is shot (peeling, etc). The old
glaze looks to be hard as rock. If the old glaze were to be replaced,
how to remove the old without breaking window panes, etc?
Heat guns will work, but are terribly slow if you are cautious about
glass breakage. I have used a big old electric soldering iron (very
hard to find these days) with the tip filed to fit the glazing
channel. Keeping well away from the glass with the iron got the job
done with no breakage. Check these NG archives on the subject...there
may be other techniques.
I'm no expert, but I did reputty my 1960 wood windows a couple years
ago. Lots of tedious hours with sharp pointed objects, trying to get a
corner started so I could get under stuck areas and pry. The first few
windows ended up looking like crap, but by the end I could produce a
fairly decent looking tapered bead. And it all seems to have held up so
far. I meant to take off the storms, and get in there and clean and
paint the window frames and new putty this past summer, but never got a
Now that I think about it, I wish I would have bought one of those
oversize Dremel clones and a box of the pine-cone-looking deburring tips
for it. The tools I used looked like oversize dental tools, so an
oversize dental drill probably would have worked as well. That would
probably work on metal frames pretty well- just remember to wear a dust
mask and goggles, and have a way to get the dust off you before you go
inside. IIRC, old putty contains lead. (somebody will be along in a
moment to correct me on that, probably.) Do one window at a time, and
stop when you start getting tired- when you start hurrying is when you
slip and break things.
aem sends, trying not to think about all the other half-done chores and
projects around here....
I removed tons of old dry putty from wood and metal sash as part of my
work for several years. My technique was very simple and required no
heat or power tools. I used a quality linoleum hook knife like a Red
Devil, and a lightweight 10 oz hammer. The idea was fracture the putty
loose by getting the point of the knife down into the putty to just
where it contacts the sash and then rotating the somewhat flexible
knife parallel and feeling for just the right amount of hammer blow to
break off, often substantial chunks of putty. I kinda can compare it
to shattering a tempered glass car window with one of those spring
loaded pointy thingies. I learned this elegant little trick from an
old time glazer and it works like a charm but........it requires
taking the time to get the 'feel'
Hope this helps
Thanks to all and particularly aemeijers and "curly'q".
Obviously there are differing ways to approach the job, which I can't
start 'till spring anyway.
One last Q: anybody know what they commonly used back around 1954? Mine
looks like glaze with some kinda finish coat. Finish coat is blistered
and peeled, underneath it looks chalky on the surface but still bonding
solidly to the pane edges. Any possibility of just scraping off the
loose stuff and replacing it with <you name it> without removing all
the old glaze?
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:55:28 -0600, Peetie Wheatstraw
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:30:13 -0600, Peetie Wheatstraw
That's what I would try myself: you have nothing to lose with this
approach. Sounds like you could just prime with oil and paint the
original glaze if that's what you're saying is still bonding well. It
would be a lot cheaper for sure!
One way to do it is to remove all the loose stuff, baste the glazing
with a thin coat of boiled linseed oil, which works like a primer and
sealer, then tool on Dap 33 with a putty knife. Often you can get a
veener coat on the existing putty, and that along with the putty
filling in the rest, it can appear very tidy and look like you
reglazed the entire sash.
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:59:23 -0600, Peetie Wheatstraw
My experience with linseed oil is that it takes quite a while to dry.
Why don't you ask a real paint store about the difference among 3
products: the linseed oil (truly wonderful), a traditional oil-based
primer, and the new quick-drying (one hour I've been told, wow!)
oil-based primers. Do that, and then you ought to be able to
determine the product you want to use. If it were me, I would
probably go with either the linseed oil or the traditional oil.
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