All aluminum versus copper/aluminum coils for air conditioner?

I've worked in the HVAC trade and would like to share some up-to-date facts about copper versus aluminum condensing units and evaporator coils.

First, let me separate all A/C coils with fins from coils with all-aluminum spines known as 'Spine-Fin' made by Trane and sold by Trane and related co mpanies, used in outdoor condensing units and heat pumps. I recommend again st products that use the spine-fin design. This design is notorious for plu gging up; loading up with cottonwood fluff, spider silk, leaf litter, insec t debris etc. Regular visits from the service man are a necessity to burn t he debris out of the coil with a torch since washing with the powerful spra y cleaners normally employed in coil cleaning is ineffective on spine-fin c oils.

Copper tube coils with aluminum fins versus all-aluminum tube coils with al uminum fins...

1a) Money - Copper prices went out of control high when the Chinese economy boomed prior to the Great Recession of 2008. It only reasonable for U.S. m anufacturers to anticipate future copper metal price spikes in considering potential future cost and potential copper shortages. Aluminum metal is ple ntiful, but uses a great deal of electrical energy to refine the ore.

Advantage aluminum.

1b) Aside from the cost of copper metal, aluminum coils are more difficult and costly to manufacture. This is in large measure because it is difficult to join aluminum tubes because of the thin layer of oxide that forms on al uminum. Copper is much easier to join and repair. New aluminum soldering al loys were developed over recent years that have improved the process of pro ducing all-aluminum coils, although it is still remains difficult to repair an aluminum coil in the field.

Advantage copper.

2) Higher refrigerant pressures - New EPA mandated chlorine-free refrigeran ts replaced long time standard HCFC refrigerant R-22 in 2012. An example of a new refrigerant is Carrier's Puron (which is known in the trade as R-410 a) which operates at higher pressure than R-22, so the tubing used in makin g new condensing and evaporator coils must have thicker walls to resist the higher pressure.

The new refrigerants heat-carrying ability, known as its enthalpy, fluid ou nce for ounce, is less than that of R-22. Combined with other physical prop erties, greater mass flow is needed to move the same quantity of heat, thus larger coils are needed. Larger coils mean more metal used. A-coils in eva porators (at the furnace end) become N-coils to absorb the heat from the ai r stream, and condensers (found outdoors to move the heat into the air) mus t be much larger to handle double the flow of refrigerant. EPA also mandate d higher Seasonal Energy Efficiency Ratios (SEER) for air conditioners and heat pumps, requiring these coils to be made larger still.

Advantage aluminum.

4) Corrosion - Copper coils are made with aluminum fins mounted in galvaniz ed steel frames, which is a recipe for galvanic corrosion over time. Alumin um metal reacts with the oxygen in the air to produce a thin, but tough oxi de coating that protects the underlying metal from corrosion. If the alumin um metal is scratched or scuffed, the protective oxide layer reforms almost immediately. Aluminum coils are all aluminum, and being homogeneous, do no t suffer from galvanic corrosion the way three-metal copper coils do. But t he protection afforded by the oxide layer is not absolute; Aluminum is very sensitive to chloride corrosion from animal urine, like dogs sent marking or male cats spraying, sea salt spray, etc. While chloride will destroy bot h copper and aluminum coils, chloride attacks aluminum coils much more aggr essively.

Advantage aluminum, except by the ocean.

4a) Chinese Drywall, More Corrosion - References are made in this thread to Formicary Corrosion a.k.a. Ant Nest Corrosion. Formic acid is an organic a cid produced by ants to signal each other, but many organic acids can cause this deep pitting corrosion in copper. Some thread entries blame ants, but not one entry has named the actual cause behind most of the recent spate o f damage to U.S. HVAC equipment - hydrogen sulfide off-gassed by impurities in imported Chinese drywall. Because of its protective oxide layer, alumin um does not react with hydrogen sulfide the way copper does.

Advantage aluminum.

5) Field serviceability - Repairing aluminum refrigeration tubing is much m ore challenging than repairing copper tubing. Copper can be heated all the way to cherry red glow without damage. It can be both brazed (temperature o ver 800 degrees F) or soldered (temperature below 800 degrees F). Aluminum heats up and as the temperature rises, without warning, melts onto a puddle . When the temperature is tightly controlled, because of that thin, but ten acious layer of aluminum oxide mentioned earlier, solder or braze filler me tal alloys have difficulty bonding to aluminum. Recently developed exotic a nd expensive fluxes are making field repair easier, but some technicians st ill refuse to even attempt a field repair on an aluminum coil, insisting on replacing it instead.

Advantage copper.

Conclusion.

I think it is fair to say the future is all aluminum coils, both because of the cost savings in the less expensive metal, and continuing improvements in aluminum joining and repair techniques.

Aluminum or copper, to stretch the life of your investment in A/C equipment , consider this: if you would like your new A/C or heat pump to last as lon g as possible, for a few hundred dollars extra, ask your contractor if the brand and model they are offering is available with a 'Coastal' or 'Sea-Sid e' option. Units with this option are made with their coils coated with a v ery thin, but completely corrosion resistant polymer; they are assembled using stainless steel screws and bolts, and are painted with an extra durable paint. Coasta l option units are intended for use near the bodies of salt water, but are equally good at resisting corrosion caused by a range urban threats from ac id raid to cat pee and many other chemical insults I can't name.

I hope all the above has proven useful at shedding light on the advantages and disadvantages of aluminum and copper coils.

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jpcallan
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This may have been true in 2012 but no longer is:

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BobsYourUncle

replying to makolber, BobsYourUncle wrote: This will dry your evaporator coils all right, but it will also increase the humidity inside the house by as much as 10% as well as increase your energy usage. The evaporator coils that produce water condensation are inside the house, and are designed to both withstand and shed water, so water on them is not an issue. What we're talking about here are the condenser coils in the

*outside* unit, which despite the name do not form water condensation, they condense the refrigerant in the lines back to a liquid which then makes the coils hot. The only water on the condenser coils comes in externally; rain/snow, sprinklers, etc.

So from a water perspective, the inside evaporator condenses water and the outside condenser evaporates it.

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BobsYourUncle

prematurely. Carrier use to have all aluminum coils and aluminum never rusts. Carrier and other manufacturers realized if they switched to copper coils their customers would have to replace their coils approximately every 6 to 8 years (10 years if you were lucky) Well, it's too late for mangino at this point, but his a/c guy was at least woefully uninformed on the topic, and nearly everything he said about copper applies to aluminum as well; in some cases more so. For one, aluminum most definitely oxidizes as does copper. Your aluminum coils have to be mated at some point to the copper supply lines, and this is where most of the failures occur due to the galvanic action of the two disparate metals. Also, the only good all-aluminum coils were made by GE until they got out of the HVAC business. The rest are much thinner and consequently cheaper than the copper. But wait, if you get a leak in that aluminum line (a good possibility, since aluminum is thinner, weaker, harder to clean, and easier to damage, not to mention having worse heat transfer characteristics) good luck finding anyone who can repair it. "Be better to just replace it" is what an honest totally trustworthy A/C guy would tell you in that situation. Sounds like planned obsolescence to me...

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BobsYourUncle

replying to bob haller, BobsYourUncle wrote: Also Amana which is basically a fancy Goodman, much as Lexus is to Toyota; same manufacturer, just more bells and whistles (but without the extreme price delta that the autos have).

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BobsYourUncle

I love that your post makes this claim, then to support it you post a link to document from Carrier, the very company that your air conditioning guy whom you totally trust said was going back to copper so it would fail faster.

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BobsYourUncle

replying to DCB, BobsYourUncle wrote: Neither metal technically rusts; only iron does, but they all oxidize. We just call ferrous oxide "rust."

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BobsYourUncle

But I have a heat pump and in the heat mode, it reverses and water and ice will form on the outside unit. That does not come from direct rain or snow.

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Ralph Mowery

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anitadsouza88

Condensing moisture out of the air is very common with heat pumps, especially when the outdoor temp gets low and the relative humidity is high. The heat pump is harvesting heat from the outdoor air, cooling it. When that air crosses its dew point (100% humidity) condensate will form. When the outdoor temp gets low to where the exhausted air is below 32 degrees F, frost will start to form on the heat pump's coils and fins. Heat Pump controllers have sensors to detect low ambient temperatures and cause a defrost cycle. In defrost the heat pump briefly becomes an air conditioner (but without running the fan on top), heating up the outdoor coil with heat taken from inside the house to thaw the ice and frost. After the ice is melted away, heat harvesting resumes. Frequent frost-overs is one of the main reasons heat pumps don't work well for home heating in the northern USA.

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jpcallan

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