Ooops! I have a friend named Carey...
Yeah. During the ACC playoffs, I was wearing shorts and a t-shirt. Then on
Tuesday when they played NC State, it was 50 degrees, but with the 30 mph
plus wind, I about froze my butt off.
BTW, 22 degrees out this morning....
My kinda weather! ;) We are originally from Wisconsin. One of our
daughters graduated from N.C. State, so of course we too think Duke and UNC
are PUSSIES. ;-> I'll try and order up some warm weather for your next
Thanks for the advice. I am leaning towards having a new unit put in.
Bottom line is I would rather pay the extra cash and not have problems
than to save money and have nothing but problems. Is the Tempstar a
good line? I have never heard of them. The Smart Comfort 2400 has a
SEER of 14. It has a ten year waranty on a Scroll Compressor and a 5
year no hastle warranty on all functional parts. Thanks for any advice
on the unit and please provide name brand units that are known for
First, do not get the idea in your head that if you buy a specific high
priced Brand/Make that you automatically will not have any trouble
because you paid more for the equipment, and the installation.
'The amount you pay for the equipment and the installation 'does NOT
automatically correlate' to having fewer high cost problems."
Though most who post here will argue the point; you can pay a lot more
and NOT get more, you might even get a lot less for you dollars.
Over the years I did a lot of service work on high priced installations
and equipment, the higher price they paid did not buy them less expenses
The quality of the installation is the major factor. I personally, would
stay away from aluminum coils, in the past they were problems.
PROPER A/C UNIT & DUCT SIZING ESSENTIAL for EFFICIENCY & BTUH PERFORMANCE
The unit we had installed is American Standard, supposedly a division of
Trane. Knock on wood, we haven't had a bit of trouble with it *and* our
power bills for cooling are significantly lower. I believe I heard this was
one of the hottest summer seasons on record around here. We turned the AC
on sooner and left it on longer than recent previous summers. We are in
North Carolina. I'd assume our weather is comparable to Virginia?
It's the other way around. Trane is a division of American Standard. Went to
the factory in Texas 2 years ago. Side-by-side down the assembly line. Same
compresor, same coil. Then the cabinets are put on. Trane has a much nicer
cabinet, but not for the price you pay. Not knocking them. They are good
units. But you are just paying for the name.
And as far as weather goes, deoends on what part of Virginia or NC you are
Thanks for the clarification. I knew the *AC guy* linked the two names
together and told us it was basically the same unit, only cheaper. :)
And this one isn't as loud running than our old one that we replaced was.
We're in the Raleigh/Durham area. Or as I refer to it when complaining to
my husband who's job transfer dragged me here kicking and screaming, "This
Hellhole you moved me to." ;> Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful area,
but I HATE heat and humidity. Both of which are plentiful here. :(
$1600.00 Is a lot for a compressor, but not unheard of. I sure would
not put that kind of money in fixing a 20 year old unit. As for
replacing the outdoor unit only. ACs and heat pumps are sold as matched
sets. It is like putting a new Ford Tranny in a 20 year old Chevy. It
may run but probably not right. Also, having replaced many 10 to 15
year old systems, it is amazing how often the indoor coil is CLOGGED
with dirt and lint. Totally impacted. If you can afford a complete
system, go for it. As for efficiency, 13 SEER will soon be the low
end, many manufacturers are already out of their old low end stuff
(10-12 SEER). Try to get better than low end, ie 14 SEER or better. I
was just at a major trade show (Comfortech). It is amazing how cheap
some of the new 13 SEER stuff will be.
Get some one who does a load calculation and sizes the ducts properly
and measures air flow. Brand DOES matter, but installation matters
"name brands on the units today mean nothing, unless of course its a
Goodman. Goodman is STILL the cheapest POS on the market..."
... unless of course it is a Goodman, huh.
I have NO connection whatever to the Goodman Company.
However, I am willing to bet anyone, that the new Goodman 13-SEER or
higher unit "installed properly" will NOT fail more than other condenser
brands' no matter how much you pay for them!
Never knock another brand unless you can prove that their equipment will
fail more often "when properly installed" than the other brands!
What you pay for equipment does NOT determine the failure rate of the
equipment; I have seen high priced equipment fail early and repeatedly!
Get a TXV metering device on the evaporator coil and a Copeland Scroll
First, get a "Energy Conservation Audit done, and then after reducing
the heat-gain/heat-loss, get a manual J done.
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Darrell, I mean no offence by the following, but......
You may have "no connection whatever to the Goodman Company", but from your
response, I bet that 70% of the units you DO install are Goodmans.
Not saying anything is wrong with that. Goodman got the bad reputation
because they used to sell unit to ANYONE off the street. That's why every
time I get called out on a service call on a Goodman, the compressor has
crapped out within the first two years. Why? Because "Joe Blow" installed it
because "he knows how to solder a pipe" and doesn't use any kind of proper
procedure to install it. Not even, at the least, a vacuum pump. How can you
tell? Because there is not even a liquid line filter/drier installed and
PLUMMER'S SOLDER was used (trust me, You can tell).
Let's say someone that knows what they are doing and they do a proper
installation. Most Goodmans STILL look like they went through a war by the
time they are 2 years old! Cabinet faded to a light beige (when they started
out brown), condenser fan motor has a nice color of RUST (and I mean big,
flaky RUST!), fan blade looks like it's about ready to fall apart. Sorry,
but that is nothing I want to sell to a customer! Carrier used to be the
same way. The grill would rust out in no time and God blessed you if it went
more than 2 years without developing a leak in the condensor coil! They have
since improved. What about Goodman?
Now I can't say anything about Goodman's "new" line. I have been told that
the 13 SEER and above have completely different cabinets and they hold up a
lot better, but I just worked on a 14 SEER unit and, well, it looked like a
piece of sh*t! I don't know. Maybe that was just a fluke or an OLD 14 SEER,
but I am not going to run out and switch brands. Mainly because the
distribution center is 2 hours away. Other people in the business are going
to have to convince me that they are a product I can trust. And don't give
me that line of "well they have sold more units than all the other brands
combine" or whatever their sales pitch is. Maybe they were, but how many of
those lasted more than 4 years? Plus, when Joe Blow and Harry Homeowner can
come off the street and buy them, well, I guess sales are/were good.
That was the point I was making before about getting an efficient model. No
sense of putting a 14 SEER condensing unit with an old 8 SEER, piston-type
evaporator coil. A lot of customers think you are just tacking on some extra
bucks to the job ("Just the outside unit is bad! I don't need to change the
inside coil!"), but they really DO save in the end.
So what I should have said was..according to you..
I make most of my money repairing Goodman units that have been installed by
reputable companies when the homeower balked at the price of a Carrier, or
other name unit.
I keep more repair parts on all our vans for Goodman units than all other
I have replaced personally more Goodman units due to rusted out cabnets than
all other units.
I order more parts for Goodman units than all other brands and can prove
Is that what you are saying?
Face it..Goodman, is a cheap POS that works, but also keeps legit companies
Personally, I wont sell one, not when I can install a name brand unit for
less than most around here charge for a Goodman that didnt cost half of what
a better unit does.
Also, I have seen higher priced units fail..Nothing is perfect, nor will it
be. But when you have a known track record for failure..and its the SAME
failure over and over and over again, and the parent company refuses to
address it, and recall it, or repair it for free for the effected
homeowners..yea..im gonna knock the hell out of it.
Goodman, in that regard..SUCKS.
Best example I have seen of a "Troll". They post stuff just to get people
pissed off. Then he sits at his computer with his pants around his ankles
waiting for replies.
A lot of sad people in this world. Best to ignore them.....
this is Turtle.
If the $1600 is for just a Compressor , You need to check out another
price. If it is the whole outside unit, it might be in range.
In the 10 seer the goodman, Luxaire, York, Hiel, Arcoaire, and
Frigidaire are not real good equipment. now if you go to the 12 or the
13 seer units. the story changes to fair stuff.
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