A neighbor kid found a scooter, a mini-bike, in the woods. He called
the police to report it, but and a patrol car came out soon after, but
the cop said that since it didn't have a VIN, they weren't really
interested, implied he could have it, and left without it. I offered
to help him fix it up.
Does anyone here have experience with a 50cc or so scooter?
1) Is the VIN under a panel somewhere? The bike is street-legal but
without a VIN it will be harder to get plates.
2) Will it start without a battery?
3) How hard is it to remove the gas cap without a drill. (It's a
locking gas cap, can you believe it?)
4) Where is the Engine Stop switch.
5) Do I want a lead acid battery or sealed lead acid? The latter is
a gel, that doesn't have the output, right?
6) In what way does it have neutral gear? The owner's manual** or
something refers to neutral gear, but there is no gear shift. Perhaps
there is something internal that puts it in neutral when the engine is
at idle. Get this: it has an automatic transmission.
So, the instructions say to keep one's hand on the brake when starting
it. Is that only because something not standard might make the engine
race, which would put it in gear?
**(The reapir manual is very good, but it's sort of a composite of
past, present and future models. For example, the manual also refers
in the schematic to an Emergency Stop Switch but in the sketch of
where the parts are, there's no reference to such a switch, and all
the switches are accounted for.)
You might want to investigate your state's law about street legal.
He might be able to ride around town but not on a highway. Minimum
for interstate riding is 10 horsepower in Nebraska, for example.
Does it have a kick starter? It would have to go back to the
days of magneto ignition to run without a battery.
Lead acid is fine. Walmart might have one.
I bet it has a centrifugal clutch. Neutral is just the engine
down. Speed is just controlled by engine rpm.
There might be a switch to keep it from starting if the brake isn't
engaged. A motorcycle needs to be in neutral for it to start. I think
I have to hold the clutch lever in also. I can't remember here sitting
in my lazy chair since it's such an ingrained habit. Mine
has a switch to kill the motor if the it's in gear and I put the kick
There's a group called rec.motorcycles. You might have better luck
checking there. It's about dead but who knows.
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The guys over at Reeky probably don't know much about scooters ... most of
us ride much bigger machines . Mine's an 800 pound Harley touring bike .
Micky might try looking for a yahoo group about them .
On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:07:02 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
Probably needs a license.
Yes. I wouldn't have asked otherwise. :-)
I didn't mean to post 8 posts, inclduing these questions, after
already getting answers to most or all of them. On the scooter
webforum, I was told that if there was an Alternating Current system,
it would start without a battery. But that with a DC system, it
needed a battery. And it's definitely DC. I suppose there really
has been AC circuilts.
I was in Walmart for other reasons and they didn't have shelf space
for motorcycle batteries, but they had some moveable shelves with 40
of them of various sizes, all half price. One, marked down from 34
to 17, was just about the right size but turned out to be about 1/4"
too tall. And I forgot to consider the core charge of $12, and I
don't have a core, so that's 29. At the time, there was one on-line
that was exactly right for $25. He said he only had two left. It will
be interesting to see if he finds more after he sells these. ...Well
he still has 2 of them.
LOL. This one has no clutch lever, just the automatic one. I was
right that if something made it race when someone started it, it might
go forward. So the same pair of switches in the brakes, either of
which turns on the brake light, also powers the starter motor start
I think the owner's manual it was that said ''Note: Ensure center
stand is deployed before trying to start the scooter." but I couldn't
figure out if deployed meant up or down. ??? Turns out acc. to the
schematic, it's not true anyhow for this particular bike.
I think I was wrong about this. The manual is NOT a composite; and
there is an Emergency Stop Switch on the handlebar, even though it's
not in any sketch in the manual.
There is also a Light Switch on the schematic that I couldn't find
elsewhere in the manual or on the scooter, but voila, when the engine
started, the headlight went on.
Snag, a yahoo group is a good idea. Not as good a format as a
newsgroup, but much better than a webforum.
Thanks both of you
That's something scooters and motorcycles have in common. The
is on once the motor starts. I've had only 4 bikes and they were all like
The local concrete company runs its trucks with lights on. It's hard to
believe how much more noticeable those big white trucks are with lights on.
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 18:38:46 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.
On 12/08/2015 06:07 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The daytime running lights on cars negates any advantage of a headlight
on a bike standing out.
The last car had daytime lights I came out of work one evening at about
dusk. Perhaps I was preoccupied but I started the car, saw the light
beams and drove off. About a half mile later a cop pulled me over and
was getting ready to ticket me for defective tail lights since he saw
the headlights but no taillights. I told him the tail lights were fine
and they would come on if I turned the headlights on. It took a while to
The next Toyota I bought was the same model but no longer had the
daylight feature. I realy think if you're going to have daylight
headlights the taillights should come on too like on a bike.
I think "daytime running lights", means different things. E.g., the
DRL's on our car are *not* the same lamps that illuminate the roadway
at night (i.e. "headlights"). Instead, they are just a line of lamps
(LED's) beneath the actual headlamps. They are spaced close enough
together (optically) that they look like an "underline" of sorts.
A few days ago, I was face-to-face with some other vehicle with a
similar arrangement. When he applied his turn signal, these white
lights turned to yellow and "swept" outward to complement his
turn signal indicator (cool, but not worth a penny, IMO).
Most DRLs still use the headlights - but cars with LED or HID
headlights can't. Some use the turn signals - some use separate lamps,
Those that use the headlights use them at reduced output - some by
running them in series, some by running high and low in series, and
some by regulating the current.
Anything automatic can be a help and a problem.
My headlights come on, maybe dimmer than normal, whenever I start the
engine on my 2000 toyota. This led to problems when I wanted to
surveil my girlfriend's home and I needed to run the engine for heat.
I finally learned that if I put the hand brake on BEFORE I start the
engine, the headlights don't go on.
But now I don't know how to turn the lights on without turning the
This car has two photocells on the dashboard. One turns some more
lights on when it gets dark, and I forget what the other one does. I
The headlight switches USUALLY have on, off, and auto settings,
except for some of the GM crap that doesn't give you a choice.
What is coming on when you start the car is the DRL. Auto headlights
turn on full lights when it gets dark.
The second photocell on some cars auto-dims your high beams.
On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:07:58 -0500, email@example.com wrote:
Maybe. I should clean my house and let you know. Assuming it's in
the manual. When I first got the car, I thought I read the manual,
but I still had to ask several people, including a Toyota mechanic I
know. But I don't think he knew either.
On 12/9/2015 10:42 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Wish more cars had auto headlights. Too many idiots don't know when to
turn them on and can barely be seen. They don't realize the lights are
not just to see, but to be seen.
States may vary, but many require lights:
When the wipers are on
Half hour after sunrise
Half hour before sunset.
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