Looking to buy a new walk behind. Saw a LB at HD that had what I wanted
but on the carton were the words"assembled in mexico". I assume all the
parts were made in the US? LB is owned by Toro located in MN.
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:14:46 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:
At this point in time, the chinese goverment holds over 40% of our debt.
At this point china has taken over more of our manufacturing jobs than all
of south america combined. Soon we will have to learn chinese just to do
business in this global market. China will be the next global super power
and we will be the ones to fund their abillity to become that. At least
mexico is a democracy (for what it's worth), but yet we ship millions of
dollars to a communist country everyday. Wasn't communism the enemy just
15 years ago? Don't we still punish cuba for being communist still to this
day? I just doesn't make sense to me to be anti-mexican and pro-chinese.
We openned the door to them about 8 or 10 years ago (forget the name of the
treaty) so it's not their fault.
Like we have insisted that the other countries learn English to survive in
the past. Now it's somebody elses turn - sounds fair to me.
It doesn't make sense to me to be anti-communist to begin with. Actually I
think it's our "capitalism" vs their "socialism". But since we have more
murders than any other country and more lawsuits and more lawyers and weaker
school systems and more people trying to make it on "networking" than
talent - I can't feel too superior to some other approach. Plus our society
is becoming more and more socialistic and less and less capitalist every
day - and BTW aren't the Chinese just being capitalistic in taking advantage
of an open market ?
I never could understand why we are being pricks to Cuba.
Don't forget that even poor people in the United States demand and get the
basic rights of cell phones, cable TV with HBO, game boys, CD players for
their rap and hip-hop, Cadillacs, air conditioning, computers, health
insurance, and $300 tennis shoes.
No one wants to work when the government provides it all to you anyway.
This country is going down the drain and it is all our own fault. China is
laughing as they clean our clock and watch us self-destruct.
Greedy and lazy American pigs is pretty much right on.
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:41:35 +0000, Oscar_Lives wrote:
Sounds like someone has selfimage issues 'round here 80) .....
Don't get me wrong, America has dropped the ball, but IMHO, it's just
plain silly to blame the american people as a whole. Poor people want what
the middle class have and corporate america say's we all need. The
American worker is one of the most efficent, hardest laboring workers on
the planet. We work longer hours with less vaction time than any other
industrialized country in the world.
I was told that you can tell how good a country is by how they treat their
elderly and their children. America abandons their old and under educates
their young. This is the root of our social ills imho.
Corprate America has abandon America and sold us to the highest bidder.
This is shown to use by the wal-marts and the big box monsters. There was
a time in this country were that wasn't true at all, but now were
exporting our greatest minds abroad along with our innovation.... But I
digress. We will have to agree to disagree.
Don't make me laugh - "most efficient, hardest laboring" - LOL I can show
you dozens of the least competent, most likely to bs you workers on the
planet. My favorite is when I ask a specific question and get a reply, "As
far as I know it is." Just lip service that helps nothing and just wastes
time. You can get that a dozen times per day around here. You can do it,
we can help ? Ask the "associate" a question about a product and he or she
starts reading the label back to you. WTH do they think I need help with -
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:44:33 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:
So your not a hard working and/or efficient worker? Or are you just
special? As my grandma would say, it's useless to argue with the facts.
Americans invented the 40 hour work week and many of us work more than
that. Americans invented the assembly line and the modern manufacturing
model which has been the engine of development for the whole world. We
make the best tools, the best cars, the highest grade steel...ect. The
american corps are striping the machines out of the factories and are
selling it off to the highest bidding third world nation.
Sorry that the big box store workers can answer your questions. It's not
in the best intrest of home depo to have an informed public, their in the
shit business. They sell you cheap shit and they don't give a shit about
you. Try shoping more locally for your products and be willing to pay more
for competent customer service.
Before you send off some post refuting my position, remember this:
If you don't like it here, if you don't like the workers here, feel free
to get on a plane and make a better life somewhere else. I'm sure china
will great you with open arms ;0)
I'm special - retired - when I was working we were #1 - it's you youngsters
who have screwed it up.
Make that "HAD BEEN" - as MY grandma said, nothing lasts forever - and the
sooner you see the FACT of change the better.
It might help you to know that my son and I probably do more buying in a
month than most consumer's do in a year - and I was buying long before Home
Depot came on the scene - but most of their product is the same that is in
the local stores. Of the dozens of local stores I can only think of one
that has more helpful personel.
Tell you what - I'll go to China if you go to Chile or wherever the fruit
you are eating came from.
I'm not going to let incompetent workers displace me as long as I can buy
imported products right here.
OK - let me ask you this - if you know that you are working in the cheap
and there is absolutely no reason to work harder or smarter because your
job could either go to a Mexican or get outsourced, why would you take
the time to learn the information that you want to know? Isn't that the
responsibility of the employer to teach their employees this info so
that you can be a satisfied customer? About the only thing that
employers teach employees is to be good listeners and validate customer
concerns - because even if you can't get your problem solved, you might
feel better if you think that you are being listened to.
Make it worth my while to learn something about the products so I won't
lose my job to Mexico or China and I might do that. If you don't reward
performance, why should I try and do better? Today any employee who is
the first to show loyalty to their employer is a fool - it's the rare
employer today who won't sell your ass in a heartbeat to make a buck.
That is why I as a consumer take the time to find out which employers
take care of their employees, which make their products in the USA, and
I only buy from them. If I can't find it made in America, it has to be
something that I really need bad, otherwise I go without. I hate
sending my money over to China to build weapons to eventually use
And it won't change until we do one of two things:
1) Line up all the greedy capitalist pigs - and the politicians who make
it legal to sell us out - against the wall and shoot em or lynch them
from a tree; or
2) Take the money out of politics and make it really one person + one vote.
Don't keep thinking that it was China alone who wanted that MFN treaty -
it was multinational businesses who realized that China was not only a
big market, but also a great place for doing business - slave labor
workplaces, no environmental or workplace health and safety laws. They
do short-term deals while the Chinese government steals their technology.
Don't you mean being anti-cuban and pro-chinese (or pro-vietnamese)?
And so much for Mexico being pro-democracy - what about how Fox is
sending all his unemployment problems to the US to steal jobs from US
citizens or leagl immigrants so that the money can be sent back to
Mexico to bail out their economy? And what about the lawless zones - up
to 50 miles from the US border - where Americans get kidnapped and held
for ransom, and Mexican drug kingpins who are hiring Mexican Special
FOrces troops to protect them and their drug shipments?
I say fuck em all - keep the jobs and the money over here, control
immigration, and license and don't sell out our technology.
Why not spend some money working up some conservation technology to make
all cars, trucks and other machinery much more fuel efficient? If we
implemented the suggestions of the Apollo Alliance, we would be energy
self-sufficient, and have technology that we can sell to other countries.
They are growing too fast and the result is that too much of our
hard-earned money is going over to China and it is getting used to build
up their military, and they aren't buying anything of ours except planes
from Boing, and even then they want us to export the technology to China
so that they can steal it and incorporate it into their own
manufacturing of civilian and military aviation industry. They steal
all our technology until they can build it themselves, then they won't
need us anymore except to sell stuff to us.
We won't have any money to buy crap from China with if we all end up
working in Wal-Mart.
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