Anyone else install these Ultra boilers?
Interest but I gotta admit........for the money, the quality isnt the
The pros are:
Hopefully efficiency and lowered operating cost.
The cons are:
Price, very expensive boiler.
Uses primary/secondary piping using 2 pumps and more piping and valves
The temp/press gauge on the front looks like something that belongs on
the instrument panel of one of those 12 volt power wheels vehicles.
Cheap, cheap, cheap.
The layout of that million dollar ultra control module microprocessor
and power supply are right on the top of the unit. Guess where water
goes when you have a leak on the boiler at the return or supply
connection? You guessed it. The power supply and microprocessor sit
right in a puddle of water. The remainder runs out some holes and down
into the bottom of the unit where it collects like a mini swimming
All the electrical connections are at the very back/top of the unit
making it very hard to access. This boiler can be mounted directly on
the wall. It makes for a lot of fun with the 3" pvc pipes in the way.
Then we found that the supply stub up out of the boiler came pre-bent
so the piping leans forward. It can't be straightened. Its a
The front plastic resin door had to be beat and kicked forcefully to
get it back on.
Other than that, it all worked well and the buttons and operations are
kinda techy. They really have a long way to go on the control layout.
Pricey...but damn well worth it
Especially when you couple it with an Ultra Plus Potable hot water heater
Have single, tandem and triple installations...Apartment building owners
love them....definitely drops the gas bill and usage.
A little steep for residences. But still worth it...when you can only get
82 - 84% AFUE on other boilers...
If you're asking me.......No. I havent ever seen a Buderus in this
area. Matter a fact, Ive not seen any boilers in this area that are
used to heat domestic hot water.
That same boiler job, one week earlier, I just installed a 75 gal gas
water heater (75Kbtu) to replace the two twinned 40 gal gas water
heaters (32K each). Nothing wrong with them. The owner was just trying
to "simplify"?? things so he only wanted one water heater. I guess it
might have been a good fit for a DHW setup? I havent done the
cost/savings comparisons on that kind of setup.
There aren't any initial cost savings, but the standby loss on an
indirect fired water heater can be as low as 0.25ºF/hr. So there are
significant energy savings plus generally more DHW. Especially if you
prioritize the DHW production.
Wasted gas? Possibly. However, when he wants to fill his huge Jacuzzi
tub and half way through he gets cold water, you explain it to him.
He's the one that decided he wanted to trash two perfectly good
working 40 gal water heaters with a 75 gal for the sake of
"simplicity?" Who am I to argue?
His home used to be a 4 family and it is now a single family
He also has more money than you or I will ever see. Has a band. Just
got off of tour last week from Europe. He is completly re-doing his
house and basically doesnt ask price. You dont find those kind too
often so I'll give him whatever the hell he wants. :-)
I'm not trying to sell YOU anything....but I had the same problem with a DR
with 5 kids....(2) 50 gal tanks and 3 of the bathrooms had whirlpool tubs
(or Jacuzzi's) what ever you want to call them. We took out the HWT's and
install (1) large instantaneous wall mounted hot water heater. Turned on the
hot water and had 132° at each faucet on at the same time.....hot water
until you shut the faucets off.....never run out
I liked so much I put one in my house (2) people....installed 4-1-02...that
summer got nothing but credits for gas bills and I have seen a great saving
in the gas bill. The tank doesn't have to sit there on go on and off to
maintenance tank temp
Not a prob. Whats even funnier is that people want what they want. Who
am I to disagree :-) A 75 gallon 75K heater has 1 inch fittings on
the top. They immediately get reduced to 3/4 since thats all that's
throughout the house. So immediately, the heater can't even produce
what its capable of. I noticed the water meter to the house is only
1/2 inch. The guy also is big on searching the net so he found this
http://www.autocirc.com/act303.htm that he thinks he wants us to
install. Im happy to give him whatever the heck he wants. :-)
I am interested in your water heater. Im guessing you have gas?
What model of instantenous did you go with. There seems to be a very
few in this area. I get a lot of questions about them but it just
doesnt seem to have caught on. Id appreciate your experience with
them. Ive got 4 women in this house.........5 if you count the freakin
dog. No gas bill going to get reduced here with the amount of showers
and clothes washing that happen here.
To start with I have an HVAC&R business....and it all started years ago when
40 gal HWT's were about 108.00 each. I would replace then for customers
only. Because we are not plumbers....let tot he plumbers, but as a courtesy
to the customers and it always seemed when it was slow, we would get a HWT
call....so who's to turn down money.
Since the tanks and price of installation has skyrocketed we have stopped.
But on certain occasions we will convert the customer to wall hung.
Mine is an Bosch AquaStar unit....I am not really keen on them. We have been
using Noritz and have been getting great service (no call backs). But did
learn to install ball valves and hose bibs to enable (acid) cleaning. We run
LimeAway through the HWT to keep the build up (if any) inside the coil of
It is an endless supply of hot water. The size of the unit depends on the
number of hot water using appliances the customer wants to run at the same
time. (water flow through the unit)
Mine can only do 4.0 gal per minute....other do more and ALOT do less. I can
shower while the dishwasher is doing its thing along with the clothes washer
Hope this helps some
I am located in the SW portion of PA...just east of Pittsburgh
Mine started when I was born..............hehe. J/K
"I heard that" about the prices of the water heaters. Most people
think they got a furnace installed when I give them the bill for the
water heater. Then I usually install a new ball valve, expansion tank,
new flue pipe and make the gas line look like a real gas line. Most I
see run crooked with a flex line, copper and a various assortment of
brass, black iron and galvanized fittings. A lot of times I sell them
a press red valve for the house. Check the water pressure and find
they have 120psi. Thats a wee bit much if you want a tank to last.
I dont really do a lot of water heaters as we arent "licensed
plumbers" but I wont turn the work down. Especially since I can
install one better than any plumber around. They havent a clue on the
proper venting of one and if its a power vent heater, they wont do any
service work on them.................go figure.
I'll look up the Noritz and see how those fair.
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