My furnace isn't working and I have a service call in.
It is a Lennox G32V, installed in 2003.
I had it "maintained" last month. At that time I asked them to be sure the
drain was clean, as it failed because of a clogged drain in 2004. He
assured me that was part of the maintenance.
This morning it is gurgling, the same as it did when the drain was clogged
in 2004. Then it shuts off, just as in 2004.
My belief is that it couldn't have been cleaned properly last month, so I
shouldn't be charged for this. I expect they will disagree.
(back in 2004 he showed me how to clear it, but it was complicated and I
don't remember how...)
where i come from , cleaning the drains is part of the service on a "tune and
clean " for a 90 plus ,
did he say he was gonna charge, or are you just gathering ammuniton , to shoot
him down with , if he intends to?
too bad you didnt pay attention back in 2004 ,
bottom line , if its somehitng they missed during the "cleaning"
then i'd think they should warranty it .
What's wrong with gathering ammunition to shoot down any attempt to
bill for something that was claimed to have been done a month ago?
Or do you believe that the tech should bill the HO *again* for
something he claimed to do a month ago?
Why? So that the HO can learn to do it himself, and be less reliant
on criminal HVAC tech's?
What probably happened is that the drain wasn't cleaned a month ago
(even though it was charged for).
What probably WILL happen is that the tech (maybe a different guy)
will say that the drain is clogged. The HO will then say "But I paid
to have it cleared a month ago by a buddy of yours", then the tech
will go back to the furnace and come back and tell the HO that he
needs a new $150 sensor, with a labor charge of $75.
And by the way, my furnaces don't have drains that need cleaning.
My AC drain tubes never get clogged.
I guess the HVAC industry hasn't figured out how to design a drain
tube that doesn't get clogged. Why should I trust their furnace
designs if they can't even get that right?
Clogged drains for air conditioning come from failing to replace air filters
often [easily done by the homeowner.] Why? Because if the air filters are
not replaced often, dirt collects on the evaporator coil. The air
conditioning washes that dirt down through the drain. The organic nature of
dirt, plus water causes sludge.
Clogged drains on the heating side of a condensing furnace on the other hand
don't happend often unless they were joined with the air conditioning. [The
resulting condensate from a high efficiency furnace comes from the inside of
the secondary coil(s) not exposed to dirt from the air side.] But because
of the higher temperatures, darkness and organic materials from the air
conditioning side, can cause high build ups of mold and fungus which clogges
If you've called this HVAC company in the past to do work for you, it is
likely he will consider it a call back no matter what's found. If this is
your 'first trip' with them, they may not. [It depends on what is found.]
If you had a "maintenance agreement" with them, it is likely covered and
there won't be any extra's.
*HVAC Gay Guy* is an idiot. He - she is apparently uninformed. Likes to
will-nilly accuse without any valid information. I generally don't like to
get into a [battle of wits] with an unarmed person. And they don't come any
less armed than HVAC Gay Guy. In fact I'd go as far as to say HVAC Gay Guy
is SCUM. He - she just has the acronyms wrong.
The service man found the inducer was full of water, for absolutely no
reason. Everything was clean, and water he poured down the drain simply
He spent an hour here without finding anything wrong.
He charged me $140.
My belief is that the water did not pool there without an obstruction. And
the obstruction could only be a result of improper maintenance last month.
Am I off base here?
I have a call into them to discuss this; but feel inclined to stop payment
on the payment.
He has been gone for 30 minutes. The inducer is full of water again, and
there is water all over the floor! Of course, since he didn't fix anything
(since he found nothing wrong), it is perfectly logical that it should
Seems not to have been money well spent.
Ok, so I was wrong about how much you got reamed for. But it wasn't
WTF is an "inducer" ?
Was he talking about the *draft inducer* ???
You're telling me that "modern" furnaces have secondary heat
exchangers that can get filled up with water?
What a load of shit. Thanks but no thanks - I'll keep operating my
31-year-old 78% AFUE. I'm sure that my "inducer" won't get clogged
full of water (LOL).
The obstruction is caused because Lennox designed the secondary heat
exchanger to not drain properly so that it would rust faster and then
you will need to replace the furnace in 7 years. But they goofed and
their design gets plugged to fast resulting in too many service calls,
which Lennox won't pay for.
Christ dude! Your freaking little black trap on the Lennox G32V is
clogged. It takes about 2 minutes to clean out. Unscrew the white plug
out of the one side or undo/cut the 1/2 cpvc drain line from the
other side. You can also take the clamp and rubber boot off the
bottom. Dump the water, flush it and put it back together. Get your
money back and find another company with some better competence.
They sent the same guy out. He determined the drain line was full of crud
and wouldn't take water. He blew it out with compressed nitrogen and it
seems to be fine.
I am not sure why he didn't find this problem on the first visit; but better
late than never. The service manage told me not to worry about the first
charge; I can't wait to find out what that means.
I am not sure what the drain goes to; if it is actually going to a sewer, or
just into the foundation. There is a bathroom on the other side of the wall
that the furnace is against; so it is probably a sewer, but the ground is
well drained, so that would work also. What would you expect?
Would it make sense to put some drain cleaner into it? The house is 25
years old, so the drain must be also.
I wouldn't use any drain cleaner. You run the risk of the odor getting into
the system and your house.
Look under the lav in the bathroom [opposite the heater] and see if there's
a flexible black [or whatever] hose attached just before the trap. If there
is, that's likely the condensate drain connection.
I'd expect, since you have a 'maintenance agreement' with them, there
shouldn't be any charges for clearing a drain that's supposed to be cleared
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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