On Nov 20, 9:48 am, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
This is a follow-up to my original post.
The HVAC guys are down in my basement right now pulling out my old
system and installing the new one. When they pulled the cover off the
unit, the technician noticed right away that the previous installer
rigged the evaporator coil with a side intake.
The way he had it going, only one half of the coil ever saw any use.
This is evident by the amount of dust that collected on one side of
the coil. That means my compressor had to work twice as hard to heat
and cool my home over the last 10 years which is probably why it
failed when it did. Frankly, I'm surprised it even lasted that long.
This experience reinforces what Bubba said about finding the right
guys for the job. I can only wonder how many dollars the previous
home owner wasted heating and cooling this place because the HVAC guys
that put this system in either weren't qualified to do their jobs or
just didn't care.
Thanks everyone for all of your input.
So by fixing it, and not forking out thousands for a new system, you'd
be saving a ton of $$$.
No - it reinforces the fact that hvac contractors are criminals who
only want to sell home owners new furnaces every time a $100 part
fails, which is typically once every 10 years (or one furnace per home
per owner). Live in 3 different homes over 30 years, that's 3
I'd be just as upset with the current guy who came out and diagnosed
it as needing complete replacement without noticing (or noticing and
failing to reveal) what you now know. For that matter, whoever did
the periodic maintenance now appears incompetent, too.
In short, you seem to have had nothing but incompetent servicers, which
confirms what I have suspected about the HVAC trade in general.
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I just bought this place in the spring, and don't know that it was
ever maintained. Judging by the look of the crud built up in the
ducts, I really doubt it.
The guy who came out to trouble-shoot it and the one who replaced it
are not the same. Two different companies, actually. I don't really
blame the original troublshooter for not spotting the shoddy install.
When a heating system starts throwing breakers, you generally don't
look to the evaporator coil placement to find the problem. He shot it
down to an internal short in the compressor - which was truly the
problem in this case.
I agree that it is a shame a compressor had to cost so much and this
system couldn't be repaired economically. I still don't understand
why compressors have to cost so much, but I'll rest a little better
knowing I won't need to screw with it for a while. My total out-of-
pocket for a new Amana 15 SEER system was $6550. The repair would
have been $1800. As long as I had to cough up the green I figured I
might as well get the biggest bang. The variable speed blower is nice
too. This is the first heat pump I've ever seen that actually blows
BTW, not that this really matters to anyone other than mem but the new
compressor has a lifetime warranty as long as I'm still the owner. At
least there's that.
I really don't hold practitioners of the HVAC trade to any higher or
lower standard than any other profession. I'm a programmer by trade
and I've read some truly gastly code in my life. I've also seen work
that's inspired the way I tackle problems. If you think about it,
every profession has it's experts and hacks. It's up to the consumer
to be educated in who he or she hires. That's not always an easy
thing. Thank God for these groups.
On average, you will own the house long enough to realize $4 or $5 in
Yes, you were banged.
And there's the scam. The HVAC industry wants to scam every home
owner into buying a new furnace for every home they own.
If the new shit was so good and reliable, then why not a transferable
Wouldn't it be nice when you put your house up for sale to tell
potential buyers that your super duper HVAC system has a lifetime
warranty? Or at least a 25 year warranty?
My house, which was built in 1976, has it's original furnace. That's
Even though HVAC installers are mostly highschool drop-outs, they are
not really the problem.
The problem is the shit that is made these days that passes for HVAC
equipment. It's designed to have a 10 year life span, and it's
designed to be very expensive to fix. It has way more electronics
than it needs to have. The claimed efficiencies of a 90+ system is
pissed away every 10 years because the system has some major $2k or
$6k repair bill.
Naww.....he is still pissed cause he paid overtime rates for a service call
because he didn't change his filter, and is just too ignorant to believe
that a new furnace will *save* him money, and have a 10 year parts and labor
You can lead a horse to water..........
The average payoff just in energy savings for the new systems that I install
is 3 - 5 years. Their bills drop by 2/3 on average. One customer had their
power bill drop $300 in the first month. Their *high* power bill for the
summer for 3800sqft, 2 story, with 2 systems was right at $200.
I know that *most* of the other contractors and techs on here get the same
kind of results when they install a new system. Proper sizing with an
outstanding installation is a good thing.
I kinda wish that we could show these idiots what the new systems are
supposed to look like, and how they perform when they are done right.
Nahhh....he has his mind made up and cant be confused by the facts.......
Glad to see you arent following the "likes" of the two idiots of the
group CJT and HVACgay. These two are hopeless homewhiners.
One note about your lifetime compressor warranty. Dont take too much
love for that. What you need is a 10 yr Labor warranty.
Parts, compressors and the rest are expensive but the big cost is the
labor. If you have a replacement compressor done on that unit you
still get charged for Freight on both compressors, recovery, brazing,
nitrogen, evacuation, refrigerant, bi-flo drier, copper and the lovely
labor. You wont know you have a warranty compressor when its all over.
Get a Labor warranty!
Okay, lemme try this one more time. The compressor warranty and parts
in the outdoor unit have 2 different warranties. If certain conditions
arent followed you will only have 5 years parts warranty and 5 years
Go here and READ!
That is only a part warranty. If you are going to be there 5 or 10
years then you NEED to get a 5 or 10 year LABOR warranty. The part
warranty is a drop in the bucket. Last time Im goina splain :-)
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