I want to landscape the final area of my garden previously covered in bark
Two years ago I felled two large Leylandii trees - the stumps, 18 inches in
diameter, remain. They are a few inches out of the ground and attempts to
kill them with crystals added between the trunk and bark do not appear to
have been successful.
I want to lawn the area and plant apple trees.
Will they survive/grow?
How can I remove the stumps? There is no room/access for one of those fancy
Any advice would be appreciated please?
Dig it out?
Drill holes and add sodium nitrate for a slow burn ~ six months latter.
Drive copper nails into the stump?
You do not have to dig it out in the same day but axe and shovel
work can be dangerous.
Shoes with metal toes a good idea and other safety stuff may save you
and yours pain in the future.
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use a hammer drill and the longest & widest drill bit you can find. Drill as
far down as you can go and do this a number of times. Fill the holes with
potassium nitrate and wait. It will take some time but will eventually rot
the stump out.
The stumps are 18 inches across? - how is it you can't get a stump grinder
in there? It's not that big a stump for a tiller-type grinder.
Rental stump grinders are the size of - and look just like - a
gasoline-powered roto-tiller with a much smaller nose - a blade that's only
an inch wide at best, two inches with guard.
Rent a bigger hand-contolled stump grinder (don't get the cheapest little
one) and grind. And grind. And grind.
You want to have the blade teeth break off bits of wood from the stump
along the grain of the wood - and that is easiest done by chipping at the
edge of the stump, but not so far into the stump that the grinder blade will
pull the grinder up onto the stump.
The handles will buck some -- down if you are going at it right, in (this
is not getting the job done) if you are riding up onto the stump.
Depends on the blade size of the grinder, but going three-four inches
deep in the ground is a good depth to start.
Start in the dirt and sweep the blade into the closest edge of the
stump - Let the blade chip away wood from the near-side VERTICAL edge of the
stump, with enough down pressure to keep it chipping and not so much that it
will jump out of your hands - and don't bog the engine down. Steady and
Grind out an inch or less into the stump, and few inches deep across the
stump, sweeping back and forth, taking a bit out of the stump at each slow
and steady sweep.
You will probably only do a couple inches in a minute on a stump that
size, but that's five feet deep an hour.
15 minutes, each stump....
just keep chipping away at it.....
Maybe the OP has a garden whose only access is through the house,
and up and down flights of stairs. That is not uncommon where old
terraced houses have been converted into apartments.
Even if the OP could get the stumpgrinder into the garden , it won't
fit, or won't be operable, through any gap narrower than itself.
Maybe the OP is a troll who made up the problem from his imagination.
Two 18 inch stumps and no room for a grinder??? Not practical to dig
out??? A garden with two 18" trees but no gate?? My answer to these
questions has been previously stated.
I am usually more polite but am sorry to say this looks like a troll.
I usually dont bother to reply to posts which make no sense, so please
forgive my impatience There have been many posts in this forum on
stump removal and they are easily searched.
>A garden with two 18" trees but no gate??
Yes, why not? I've seen scores of city tenement gardens with much
bigger trees, and no gate, in older parts of UK cities. In Edinburgh, a
rectangle of tenement buildings was commonly built (in granite, lasts
forever) around an inner court. The inner court is divided by walls and
or iron railings, into small areas beloning to each tenement. The only
accesses to the gardens are through the buildings, via a winding stone
stair going down through the basement (or, a more modern fire-escape
from upper storeys).
Such back yards are at least a hundred years old, and the trees in them
which are not much younger, may be as high as the building.
Here's the problem with your scenario. We are talking about stumps
not trees. If we have a stump then we can assume that the tree was
removed. Access sufficient to remove such large trees would also
suffice for the much smaller stump grinder so any option which exists
for getting the grinder into the yard if they could get those large
I will grant that there may be a very narrow situation where such a
thing would be impossible. Maybe the tree was removed with a crane.
Maybe there is a masonry fence with absolutely no gate. Then again,
maybe the poster made up the whole thing to get idiots like you and me
to argue it. That's a lot of maybes.
Considering the overall quality of the posts on this forum and on
usenet in general I believe the odds favor the troll. The two
standard ways to remove a stump are grinding or digging. I perform
these tasks routinely on my place and they are not difficult much less
impossible. I assure you that the machine in question is not a large
one and takes up little space, far less than the trees described. I
rent when I want a stump grinder so it is true that you need a truck
or car with a hitch. You can also hire a service which will grind
There are other less common options which have been mentioned here and
on many other threads. Most involve drilling holes and filling with
fertilizer. Burning your stump can be a pleasure if you have a
bonfire planned anyway.
You can ignore your stumps and I usually do. Most species will rot in
place in a few years nothing wrong with that. Other species will put
out suckers from the stump or root system and they are more
persistent. In any case thank you for your opinion and all the
I disagree. Expert treefellers here, routinely dismantle huge trees
in a confined area, in small bits, with no more kit than ropes and saws.
Just because the root/ trunk is in a very confined or difficult to
access spot area, does not mean they can't reach the crown, or drop bits
away from the root/trunk obstruction. l. I work in a woodland with a
population of trees several hundred years old, where some have to be
dismantled evry year, often with nowhere to (economically) extract the
corpse. We just burn the whole lot, often in a very tiny area to spare
nearby rare or precious trees. It's slow, but do-able once you have a
small very intense fire going for a week or so. (Wet climate; forest
fire isn't a headache most of the year) . In tenement courtyards, where
crane access is impossible, that's the only way big trees can be
dismantled and disposed of once they become dangerous.
Yay, at last :-)
Maybe the tree was removed with a crane.
Quite possibly , but I have seen such scenarios IRL, and it may be
instructive to other readers to learn what's possible in a hypothetical
scenario outside of their own experience. I'd like to think of dim
trolls gnashing their decayed teeth and thinking "damn, they've spoiled
I agree completely about digging stumps out by hand; I've done so
many times and its a far easier and quicker task than most people would
guess who have never tried it. When my son was 14, having watched his
mother often enough to think it was dead easy, he taught a mate and in
their school holidays they made a lot of money stump-digging for people
who mistakenly thought it was a huge task. (I recall the little devils
discussing how it was not in their financial interest to do a fast easy
job; if they slowed down and made it look hard they could charge more).
I've never bothered to do that, other than poisoning some
inaccessible or unimportant stump of something that would otherwise
While I admit your comment is humorous I have to ask why you make
posts to the same forum under different name, eh Kevin?? Hows it
going with those "stumps"?? LOL A grinder could be rolled through
the house or lifted over the fence.
Jangchub is Buddhist eco-gardener yoga-practitioner Victoria, a
longterm poster to this newsgroup. She posts from the USA, is not Kevin,
and didn't post as Kevin. Kevin posts from the UK and is not Victoria.
What's more, this is not a forum, it's a newsgroup :-).
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