Salt water damage to azaleas

Salt *does* *not* rain from the sky.

A plant sitting in a low spot with distilled water swirling around its base is a gonner.

Here in the PNW our rain comes in off the Pacific Ocean and it is not the least bit salty.

There are many places in North America with salt deposits left from the Oceanic inundation not just Australia.

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No, that was in a post to Paghat, showing her that she was wrong in saying ocean rain does not contain salt. Look up the websites in my post replying to you.

Yes there are. You said

How strange, that you don't know Brodick Castle's most famous rhodo area is the section at the bottom of the garden adjoining the coast road, and that the dense greenery lining the road, clearly visible in the picture, right beside the sea, is a wide variety of rhododdendrons.

The other websites I mentioned, give the true locations and elevations and descriptions of the other gardens you wrongly described as "high up", "not near the sea" or not "growing rhododendrons and azaleas near the sea".

? I don't own any swamp land or claim rhododendrons and azaleas thrive in swamps.

Okay. Why is it, that you make so many glaring errors of fact , description AND location about gardens you claim to have visited very recently?

Janet

Ah. That clears it up. You don't know what the definition of a lie is.

A lie is a known false statement deliberately presented as being true. It is not simply something that is factually incorrect. And certainly isn't something that is factually incorrect on a technicality. If I say "tall people bump their heads on doorways", that's not a "lie" even if technically they don't always bump their heads. If I say "a tall person just bumped his head on my doorway", that would be a lie because not only isn't it true, I know it's not true, and I deliberately presented it as being true. However if I believe that a tall person bumped his head, and it turns out he didn't, it would not have been a lie for me to say it because I believed it to be true at the time.

So the problem isn't that you're calling people liars when they aren't telling lies. The problem is you're calling people liars because you don't know what a lie is! That explains a lot! You're not a wicked name caller. You're just ignorant.

BTW... Are you going to put your money where your mouth is, and offer to pay for any damage that happens if it turns out you're not right about azaleas thriving in salt water conditions? Or are you ready to back down from your ridiculous assertion that azaleas thrive in salty conditions? You side-stepped that in your last reply, and I'm all ready to pour some saltwater on my azaleas per your recommendation, but not if you're not willing to stand behind your statements.

Admitting that you might be wrong about azaleas thriving in salt water wouldn't make you a liar. It's quite obvious that you really believe(d) it to be true, which means admitting that you may have been wrong isn't the same as admitting you're a liar -- unless you then claim that you never said something that you did.

Or you can just call me a liar again, and demonstrate your ignorance once more.

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You've messed the attributions, Travis; now you won't know who to insult.

Paghat said: Salt is

I replied

I said

No doubt, but try to keep up. We're discussing, does coastal rain ever contain salt from the sea. Does coastal rain deposit salt on plants and soil. Okay? The websites provided by myself and Presley, show it does, so Paghat and Warren are wrong. Here it is again, just for you.

• 3. From wind blown salt, usually in rain water from the ocean.

Janet.

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Are you having some comprehension problems, Travis, or just not keeping up with who said what, again? Which bit of those websites is causing you difficulty? Do explain.

Janet

The methods by which it can be assessed that rainwater is evaporative from the sea measured for it's isotopic signature & ionic proportionality does not mean rainfall that is the "same" as the sea for salt content. When by mass ratio it can be proven that sodium & chloride ions in groundwater are "the same as seawater" this means whatever the salt load (whether barely detectible or extremely great) originated in the ocean vs originating in mineral dissolution or man-caused pollutants. It does NOT mean the groundwater or the rainfall is saltwater. It just doesn't mean that. As sensible to believe being that signatures & proportionality "the same as seawater" means rainfall is teaming with plankton & jellyfish.

Salinity in soil DECREASES in areas of highest rainfall. If rain were salty the opposite would be true, & much of the world would drop dead because rainwater would be unfit to drink.

Rainfall even lowers the salinity in tidal areas of the ocean itself. In the Ariake Sea for a studied example, salinity for most of the year is a fairly constant 25-26%. During the rainy monsoon season salinity drops to

What sodium does find its way into rainfall is generally assumed to be of ocean origin. It is such an inconsequential component that rainfall is NEVER given as one of the causes of inland salinization.

It's beyond comprehension that even one person really believes rainfall has the same salt content as the sea. Such belief is explicable only if scientific knowledge, ability to reason, or even the ability to draw personal conclusions after opening one's mouth in a rainstorm, are fast slipping away from an increasingly imbecilic population.

And so the thread gets increasingly stupid from assertions that rhododendrons are planted as salt air windbreaks, that the Atlantic ocean dumps saltwater 300 miles inland from rainclouds & storms, & that sodium mass ratio statistics for FRESHWATER somehow prove that freshwater is in reality saltwater. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

-paghat the ratgirl

Salt is odorless. You are smelling poop, decay, & acetate.

-paggers

Wow, talk about projecting!

-paggers

It is as bad as all that, Paggie. The abilities are down, the increasinglies are up, way up. It's becoming harder and harder to carry on simple, ordinary, succinct conversations with average people.

"It's beyond comprehension ... ". I like that.

"And your wise men don't know how it fee--ee-eels To be thick As a brick."

Me, I revere the small islands of sun drenched sanity that still exist. Carry on.

Implanted

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You've messed the attributions, Travis; now you won't know who to insult.

Paghat said: Salt is

I replied

I said

No doubt, but try to keep up. We're discussing, does coastal rain ever contain salt from the sea / Does coastal rain deposit salt on plants and soil. Okay? The websites provided by myself and Presley, show it does, so Paghat and Warren are wrong. Here it is again, just for you.

• 3. From wind blown salt, usually in rain water from the ocean.

Janet.

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Which bit of those websites is causing you difficulty? Do explain.

Janet

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Ah, a change of heart from your earlier mistake when you claimed

(It does salinate soil in Australia, btw..cite already provided)

Osgood Mackennzie used rhododendron ponticum for that purpose at Inverewe.

that the Atlantic ocean

That stupid assertion was by yourself, nobody else, when you said

Janet

Travis misses a lot, be kind to Mr. one liner, he hasn't even learned to trim posts yet...

Acts of creation are ordinarily reserved for gods and poets. To plant a pine, one need only own a shovel.

-- Aldo Leopold

So that says to you salt evaporates does it? Sodium isotopic signatures are not evidence that freshwater is saltwater, no more than is a fingerprint left on your booze glass proof that the glass is actually your finger, or a crime lab's DNA reading from a cigarette butt proof that that cigarettes are people. Here's an elementary school science fact for you: Salt does not evaporate because it is non-volatile.

Perhaps you're legitimately not smart enough to tell saltwater from freshwater, but the facts do remain salt does NOT evaporate into clouds & it's loony to persist in your belief that it does. Rainfall does NOT salinize soil as you persist in believing; the facts are the exact opposite of what you eerily want to believe is true.

This really simple child's science experiment tends to convince the kiddies:

Dissolve precisely 15 ml of salt (about a tablespoon) in a half a cup of water. Set in sun until water evaporates. Weigh salt. From this a very young school child learns that salt does not evaporate or undergo any chemical alteration in water. Alas, I suspect YOUR conclusion would have to be that the 15 ml of crystals left in the cup is dehydrated water concentrate, because the salt evaporated.

Janet Baraclough expounded:

No, it doesn't. What salinates the soil in Australia is too complicated to get into here, it has to do with underground salt deposits, the loss of native cover and the inability of the soil to deal with all the water. The salt is already there, in vast underground stores. See