OT: Things to do before the inauguration

"Dennis Hoy" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

If you are typical, it's no wonder that people who aren't taken in by television propaganda think of "America's Finest" as arrogant, ignorant and rude.

As for doing his part aka abetting political change through violence, well no, you wouldn't understand hypocrisy would you.

... formerly from Zone 19, which doesn't exist in Dennis' brainwashed myopic world.

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Damned Liberal
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Who needs facts when you are commander in chief of the most powerful country in the world and can declare war on a whim?

When the reinstate the draft, people will be lining up to take a shot at the pig.

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Cereus-validus...

Interesting comments form another chicken hawk!

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Tom Jaszewski

The trouble is, they'd probably only wound him, and then he'd use his secret weapon, which would drive the shooters to insanity or suicide: "Mah fellow American folks, as you all knows, someone brassulated me yesterday. Ya know....brass....like what ammo come in....I were brassulated. But, by the gracious of god, the surgicals was able to detract the bullet, and as I speak, the Federal Bunch....er...Bureau....the FBI is doing the hard, hard work of figuring out maybe if the bullet came from a gun, or some other weapon".

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Doug Kanter

Mehlman acknowledged that Democrats scored points against Bush, such as raising the specter of a draft reinstatement, which got the attention of young voters.

"I think that was something that worked. It wasn't true, but it worked," he said.

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IntarsiaCo

I thought Larry "Bud" Mehlman died several years ago?

Those right wing nay sayers will be eating their words when they actually do reinstate the draft. You just don't have enough fools volunteering to join the armed forces right now knowing full well they will be sent right over to Iraq to be blown up by terrorists. Dubya needs more cannon fodder!!!!

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Cereus-validus...

H.R. 163, which was introduced by Charles Rangel (D-NY) and which would have reinstated the military draft, was voted on in the House of Representatives

10/5/04. The bill was overwhelmingly defeated with a vote of 402 to 2. The two aye votes were both democrats. Neither sponsor (Rangel/Conyers) voted for the bill.
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IntarsiaCo

H.R.163 Title: To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] (introduced 1/7/2003) Cosponsors (14) Related Bills: S.89 Latest Major Action: 10/5/2004 Failed of passage/not agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Failed by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 2 - 402 (Roll no. 494).

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COSPONSORS(14), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date) Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] - 1/7/2003 Rep Brown, Corrine [FL-3] -

1/28/2003 Rep Christensen, Donna M. [VI] - 5/19/2004 Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 1/28/2003 Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] - 1/7/2003 Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] - 1/28/2003 Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-23] - 1/28/2003 Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] - 7/21/2004 Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 1/28/2003 Rep Lewis, John [GA-5] - 1/7/2003 Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] - 1/7/2003 Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 1/28/2003 Rep Stark, Fortney Pete [CA-13] - 1/7/2003 Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. [NY-12] - 1/28/2003 Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] - 1/28/2003(withdrawn - 6/21/2004)
  1. H.R.163 : To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] (introduced 1/7/2003) Cosponsors (14) Committees: House Armed Services Latest Major Action: 10/5/2004 Failed of passage/not agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Failed by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 2 - 402 (Roll no. 494).

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  1. H.R.2037 : To affirm the religious freedom of taxpayers who are conscientiously opposed to participation in war, to provide that the income, estate, or gift tax payments of such taxpayers be used for nonmilitary purposes, to create the Religious Freedom Peace Tax Fund to receive such tax payments, to improve revenue collection, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Lewis, John [GA-5] (introduced 5/8/2003) Cosponsors (43) Committees: House Ways and Means Latest Major Action: 5/8/2003 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.

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  1. S.89 : A bill to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen Hollings, Ernest F. [SC] (introduced 1/7/2003) Cosponsors (None) Committees: Senate Armed Services Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.

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Tom Jaszewski

So are you saying people should shoot at the president of the USA, or only if they reinstate the draft? Will you be one of them?

Do you think that's better then the democratic system, everybody just shooting who they don't like, or if they don't get their way?

Since you are not a lover of peace, and you don't seem to actually like anyone, why do you really care if there's a war or not?

Swyck

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Swyck

It ain't going to be me, Rambo Rimbaud.

Who said I'm not a lover of peace, you lying fascist mofo ponce?

I'm all for peace. Its just not going to happen with prissy chicken hawks like you thinking the have the approval of "big brother" running the country.

The problem with wimps like you is that you actually like to squeal like a pig when they tell you to bend over and take it as they take your constitutional rights away.

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Cereus-validus...

No wonder the bill H.R.163/ S.89 was defeated.

It was badly written and vague quasi-patriotic fluff that could easily have been abused.

It looks more like a rough draft than a valid proposal.

It doesn't state the age of those who should serve, the length of time that should be served nor under which conditions. The "and for other purposes" is particularly troubling.

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H.R.2037 sure is a silly bit of fascist religious bull crap. The way it was worded ensured that it would never pass because it would be completely unconstitutional.

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Cereus-validus...

Where ya been Tom?

Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend?

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escape

Representatives

I think the law should allow any of us to go to a web site and find out where legislators like that have their money invested, whether it's normal investment money, 401k money, IRA money, anything. In this case, I'd guess General Dynamics.

Reply to
Doug Kanter

Perhaps chumps like him should be required to read "Animal Farm", "1984" and "The Handmaid's Tale" at gunpoint.

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Doug Kanter

Orwell was off by 20 years too soon.

Dubya should read 1984. That is if he can read.

Maybe Laura can read it to him as a bedtime story? Too bad if it give him nightmares!!!!

The problem with Animal Farm is that he would empathize with the pigs.

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Cereus-validus...

I've read the first two. It wasn't at gunpoint either, or as part of a high school reading assignment.

I heard the last one sucked, but was popular among the glazy eyed PC crowd.

Did you actually read "Animal Farm"? That wasn't a right wing takeover, so your analogy is flawed. 1984 would be more appropriate, except for the fact that "big brother" doesn't run the country.

Were you just tossing out these titles to appear educated, or did you have a point?

A good question is who is more likely to lead to a big brother or animal farm type system -- the set of people that believe in democracy and the right to vote for an elected governments, or those that oppose democracy, won't accept the results of elections, and work to undermine the popularly elected government?

IMO a democratic voting system, belief in it, and acceptance of the results is a critical component to a free nation. The point of view that the smart people should rule and decide everything is what can lead to animal farm or big brother systems.

Swyck

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Swyck

I'm sorry if I misjudged you. You postings are so gentle, kind-hearted and reasonable, brimming with love and respect for humans everywhere. How could I have been so mistaken?

Swyck

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Swyck

Go choke on a weinerschnitzel, you Nazi bastard.

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Cereus-validus...

Should be two words, weiner schnitzel

Reply to
IntarsiaCo

Check out this link and be prepared to be scared to death at what the senior members in our government have planned for the world.

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Swick, I think even you will be a little disturbed by this. But I may be wrong.

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figaro

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