Does any one know of a tall sedum?
Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of the
Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.
'Autumn Joy' is a Hylotelephium hybrid not a Sedum. Its a deciduous
Sedum praealtum is a yellow flowering tall growing shrubby species from
Mexico but its not very cold hardy and not for growing outdoor in the winter
in zone 4. The same applies to Sedum dendroideum.
You may want to consider growing Hylotelephium (formerly Sedum)
populifolium, a deciduous shrubby species from Siberia.
I have an older green variety that came with the house that gets a good 4
foot tall with creamy white "broccoli head" flowers that fade to a soft
pinkish. If you want a root I will see what I can do when you send yer
address to my snail mail addy
madgardener in Eastern Tennessee
Achillea x 'Coronation Gold' gets 24-36" tall. Has golden yellow flowers
from late spring to summer with gray-green foliage. It's commonly known as
Yarrow. Likes full sun (drought tolerant) and is good in zones 2-8.
Agastache x 'Blue Fortune' gets 40" tall. Blue-lavender flowers with
licorice scented leaves bloom from early spring throughout the summer.
'Tutti Frutti' gets 3-4' tall and has tubular pink flowers from mid-summer
to frost. It has fragrant foliage that smells like tutti frutti. Both are
good in zone 6-9 in full sun.
Baptisia australis "false indigo" - mid to late spring bloomer. Flowers are
blue and mature fruit is black. Gets 36" tall and is good in zones 3-10
with full to part sun.
Baptisia pendula "white false indigo" has clusters of white pea like flowers
that grow to 40" tall. Zone 3-10.
These are just a few perennials that could be used in front of the grasses.
Don't forget Black Eyed Susans, Purple Coneflowers (Echinacea) and Russian
Sage. Do a google on the plants listed and you can see what they look like.
Zone 7b - North Carolina
I grow most of those - the Achillea comes closest in terms of shape and a
hint of winter interest, but it just isn't tall enough. Agastache doesn't
survive here (the only people I know that have any luck with it either let
it reseed it self or it is sheltered).
I want TALL - 4 foot plus and some hint of four season interest -
interesting foliage, color, seed heads.
Thank you for you thoughts,
On 2/23/04 6:42 PM, in article
Idw_b.38092$ email@example.com, "Penny Morgan"
Cheryl, you are just not going to get a full 4 seasons of interest from a
perennial, unless it is an evergreen one and I can't think of any that would
reach the size you want. Certainly, some form of shrub could work for you,
but I'd consider a late season tall growing perennial. Rudbeckia maxima will
reach an impressive height and offers the same bright yellow coneflowers and
seedheads into autumn and winter that its shorter cousin does. Eupatorium
maculatum 'Gateway' is another good choce or any of the perennial sunflowers
or Helenium. All are great in combination with grasses and enjoy the same
conditions. All hardy to at least zone 4.
pam - gardengal
On 2/24/04 8:41 AM, in article MvI_b.380333$I06.4154991@attbi_s01, "Pam -
One of the reasons I was looking for something "sedum-like" was I truly find
4 seasons of interest. In the spring, I love to see the "nest" of new shoots
and the color of the early growth. ( I know I only see this while cleaning
up, but it is an important joy.)
What I want most is a fall and winter statement. Seed heads, foliage and
something out of the ordinary.
I grow all of the above in your list - I love the Rudbeckia maxima, but not
for this spot. I have a "Chocolate" Eupatorium in the bed - it makes a nice
transition down to the coral bells which are nearly evergreen.
I know there was Sedum "Indian Chief" on the market at one time - it was
billed at 45 inches tall, but every time I got it, never got that tall.
Asclepias comes up in
Kniphofia gets tall but none for zone 4 probably...
cow parsnips are big. angelica. maybe scan the apiaceae?
stenanthia (east n amer.)
there are huge grasses and some sedges get big...
THE USE OF ORNAMENTAL GRASSES IN THE LANDSCAPE
... The popularity of ornamental grasses gained momentum in the early 80's
Oehme and Jim van Sweden, two Washington DC landscape architects, began ...
they use(d) a lot of tall wet plants
another wet lover:
Miscanthus sinensis 'Strictus' (porcupine grass)
Many grasses are very easy to grow. This one has yellow and gold horizontal
bars on its leaves. Silvery plumes in fall, ornamental throughout winter;
grows up to 8 feet tall. USDA: 5 to 8/Sunset: all zones. Full sun. Propagate
by division. Caution: Miscanthus sinensis is beginning to turn up on
invasive plant lists in Northeastern and Middle Atlantic states
probably conforming to the common overblown description of plants:
Ok, then how about Diablo nine bark? dark almost black-burgandy leaves,
exfoliating bark as it matures, nice fall color, with the bark and stems
showing nicely during winter. Or for that matter, can you grow Oak leaf
hydrangea? THAT is a four season plant...............
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:46:52 -0500, Cheryl Isaak wrote:
Piet Oudolf has a book "Gardening with Grasses" which has a good selection
of plants that go well with grasses. Depending on the height of the
grass, you might try Solidago "Fireworks" or Eupatorium "Chocolate" or
Aster "Lady in Black". If you don't need to go as high, try a combo of
things like Echinops and Knautia macedonica. Leucanthemum "Becky" works,
too. It's really up to you and what statement you wish to make.
On 2/24/04 11:10 AM, in article firstname.lastname@example.org,
One of the grasses is "Dallas Blues", the other is a no name that is finer
textured. DB gets over 6 foot, no name around 7 foot and a nice green and a
What I want is a "echo" effect, to repeat a great planting of a variegated
miscanthus, sedum Neon and a dark leaf coral bell - max height is about 3
feet and about 4 feet around.
So, I have the great grasses, lots of height, lots of coral bells. For now,
I have daylilies there, but as much as I love them, not there. I want that
late summer in to winter interest.
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:03:14 -0500, Cheryl Isaak wrote:
Another Oudolf book is Dream Plants for the Natural Garden. Great photos.
He also has one about desiging with plants.
Monarda Jacob Cline or Raspberry Wine
You could always add Pennisetum Rubrum. It's an annual in northern
climies but nice. Another grass, you would like, is Pennisetum Moudry
which has gorgeous black seed heads.
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