I have a window box with my herbs in and lately I have noticed black
aphids on my chives (and a few on my coriander). There are so many on
my chives, that they are all turning yellow and dying. Can anyone
suggest a way to get rid of them, yet still making the chives OK to eat
???? I have read that soapy water will help - but I dont really want
to eat chives with detergent on them !!!!
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Use dish soap--after all you eat off plates that were washed with
I used a little dish soap mixed in a strained puree of cayenne pepper,
onions & garlic. The smell made me hungry and the garden smelled of
onoin and garlic (a good thing in my opinion). It is one of those
hokey home recipes but it did work for me. Supposedly good for more
than aphids. Used it in an old window-cleaner bottle and sprayed the
plant till it was covered (undersides are important for leafy plants).
It didn't hurt the plants and the aphids were dramatically reduced. I
tried a commercial spray cause the infestation got away from me lattr
in the season and the flowers died--I read too late that you can't use
the spray when it is suny outside--it cooks the plant apparently.
I also found that aphids love nasturtiums. They act as a trap crop.
All my aphids were on the nasturtiums--the rest of the garden was
aphid free. When it got bad I just pulled the nasturtium with all the
aphids. You might want to grow a few about to protect other plants.
DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email)
Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, <1 mile off L.I.Sound
2nd year gardener
I'm surprised that they like chives - bummer! A local nursery suggested
we plant chives around our roses to ward off aphids. They didn't say
that the aphids would 'migrate' from the roses to the chives<VBG>!
Buy a pint of ladybugs. :-)
In the meantime, just clean them off by hand.
Put on a pair of gloves and just wipe them off, squishing them as you go.
On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:09:02 UTC, firstname.lastname@example.org (Beecrofter) opined:
You have not named the dictionary from which you are quoting, so I can't
check it directly, but its definition (if you are quoting it in full) is
deficient, as might be found in a small pocket dictionary.
When I studied chemistry a very long time ago, the cleaning action of soaps
was termed "detergence". At that time, the first synthetic soap substitute
had just appeared on the market. The molecule was "sodium lauryl sulphate";
the tradename slips my memory at the moment. This and its successors were
called "synthetic detergents", soaps being the natural detergents by
contrast. That these synthetic detergents have now become more ubiquitous
does not deprive soaps of their detergent nature, or even of their
classification as detergents, although IN COLLOQUIAL SPEECH people often
make the abbreviated distinction soaps vs. detergents. The point is that it
is proper to classify soaps as detergents.
Here is what Websters Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary says. Note that the
first documented in the seventeenth century, rather a long time
before synthetic detergents existed.
detergent adj. (1616): that cleanses: cleansing.
detergent n. (1676): a cleansing agent; as (a) soap (b) any of numerous
synthetic water-soluble or liquid organic preparations that are chemically
different from soaps but are able to emousify oils, hold dirt in
suspensions, and act as wetting agents (c) an oil-soluble substance that
holds insoluble foreign matter in suspension and is used in lubicating oils
and dry-cleaning solvents.
There is also a definition for a verb from the same root (deterge), first
documented in English in 1623 (again, well before synthetics), meaning
simply to wash off, to cleanse. Nothing about synthetic, natural, or
So as I said, soaps are detergents; not all detergents are soap. I don't
think your original statement is tenable.
And just to add to the confusion, the liquid synthetic detergent in my
bathroom is labelled "Soapless Soap", which is an oxymoron.
Probably the best, and the only unbiased page that came up in a quick
search. I did find a great many tinfoil hat pages first :)
Soap, in its simplest form, is rendered fat plus lye.
(who swears by Dawn and All-Temperature Cheer)
Thanks all for your suggestions - have tried bit of washing up liquid i
a spray today
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:48:25 UTC, email@example.com (Rez) opined:
More generally, it's a metallic salt of a fatty acid. The ring around the
bathtub is a soap, mostly sodium stearate, though not very useful for
cleaning purposes. "Rendered fat" is too restrictive, because that implies
that it has to be animal fat, which isn't true. It also doesn't have to be
lye, but can be any alkaline substance -- historically, it has often been
potash, which is certainly not lye. But we digress -- the usual soaps are
For what it's worth, when discussing biodegradable cleansers, etc., some
35-40 years ago, we were told the following:
Soap is made from natural products and is completely biodegradable
Detergents are made from some synthetic materials and are not completely
There were some labeling regulations in place at one time as to whether
something could be call soap or detergent.
Generally, soap could not do as good a job cleansing dirty clothing so
detergents were more popular. Soap as supposed to be milder to the skin,
etc., than detergent.
It would appear that the brand name is not indicative, but somewhere on
the label it should indicate whether soap or detergent. I know that there
is dishwashing soap and dishwashing detergent as well as clothes washing
soap and clothes washing detergent; Ivory is one of the soaps.
Yes, there is a difference. Those with allergies are very aware of the
Safer Soap has been mentioned here often for pest control but I've never
heard anyone mention Safer Detergent.
Right or wrong, correct or incorrect, that is the information as I
The chives? Buy ladybugs! Spray the chives with the garden hose. Plant
the chives in an area of good air circulation so the predatory bugs and
insect eating birds can easily find them and their aphid buddies. I'm
still very lucky that I rarely see aphids in the garden which has been the
case since I started purchasing ladybugs each spring.
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