Ground Beef Recall Expanded

[doofy]

I'm assuming you're saying cows don't naturally eat corn, and not saying that cows don't naturally eat grass.

Fish are carnivorous. Fowl can be carnivorous, and are certainly insectivores. Pigs, I believe, can be carnivorous on occasion, and insectivorous.

This whole "disagreement" started, or I stepped in at the point where you tried to correct omelet on a web search, and your own link didn't support your comments, though I think your comments didn't exactly say what you are continuing to expand on. After that you added the comments about fortified foods.

So, you weren't clear in what you wrote, but evidently were defending positions our information that was in your head, but not coming out of your keyboard.

I don't have a problem with vegan or vegetarian, unless someone starts proselytizing, which I've had happen to me, as I'm sure others have. I didn't say you were.

[Omelet]

Fine. Be Mr. Biologist. There are 5 kingdoms (last I learned in College anyhoo) and Fungi is indeed it's own critter.

Sounds like you have IBS. You may want to consider keeping a food log for awhile and pinpointing stuff.

Hope you take some liver support supplements!

I can control Cholesterol level with diet.

Avoiding sugar and starch for the most part seems to do the most good.

Fat? Research proved that high fat diets have zilch effect on Cholesterol levels ages ago when using isolation diets.

[doofy]

I've had a vegan confuse that term to me. Him: "Avoid all dairy." Me: "I'm allergic to dairy, but I do eat eggs." Him: "Eggs is dairy." Me: "Cow's don't lay eggs."

[JoeSpareBedroom]

How old was this particular vegan?

[William Wagner]

The world is a strange place is it not? We are born between feces and urine and think we are special. My garden is nothing but death, rot and destruction a killing fields of sorts. I try to focus on rebirth but have to go purchase some dried blood and get some hair from the barber. Sort of controlled rot I guess for the garden. Then off to the store for some food shopping knowing that some small critter is munching on my eye lid or having lunch in my nose. Read the other day that these guys may amount to about 6 ounces of my weight. I won't go to gut and intestinal flora.

Bill

[Cheryl Isaak]

Trying to overcome the giggles C

[Cheryl Isaak]

Must have been Kosher..... C

[Ann]

Omelet expounded:

I read a bit about it but it advised to only fiddle with iodine under a doctor's care, so I'm waiting....it's taken three months to get an appointment with an endocrinologist, my appointment is (finally!!) tomorrow at 9:30 am.

My problems were mainly a dramatic weight loss - I'm not heavy at all, I've always had trouble keeping weight on (and believe me, that isn't a good thing, but no one with a weight problem believes it), so at 138 losing 8 1/2 lbs within a month scared me a bit. The details are long, involved, and not related to gardening so I'll leave it at that. Things have stabilized, though, and I've even put two back on, but I'm going through the motions to make sure there isn't a serious issue.

[tourthekillfloor]

A missed point here ... I'm guessing that a freezing cow wallowing in urine and feces is a little more miserable than a nervous-system- lacking plant side-dressed with feces/blood/bone.

Some vegetarians *are* prone to making illogical and hysterical statements, but this lengthy thread proves the hysterical and illogical lengths that meat-eaters go to make meat safe. Please don't let the crazies turn you off ... when you stop being responsible for countless animal slaughters your soul will thank you!

[Frank]

Bacteria is going to be on the surface of the meat. Inside the meat is sterile. Problem when you grind burger is as you say. That's why it is safe to eat a steak cooked rare but not a hamburger. Chicken are another story. Practically impossible to gut them and keep clean. (You can gut a cow and keep gut off meat.) That's why there is more food poisoning from chicken than beef.

[Jangchub]

No, but I will find out. The other thing which is used in some processed foods is gelatin. I never know what the source for that gelatin comes from. It can get very complicated being vegan, which is why I'm slowly doing it. As for the free range, I always buy free range, cage free, brown eggs. Cage free doesn't always mean free range and I always buy organic when I can.

when I get anemia, it is not from iron. I get low red blood cells which then requires me to take Procrit injections. If I don't, I can't take a step without being out of breath. This has not been an easy illness and I've had this virus for about 35 years, which is why it is now really giving me problems.

[Jangchub]

Actually, I take milk thistle daily. It also helps some with the inflamation in my joints. I order it online and it's called "Maximum Milk Thistle." I'm a grown woman of 52, but my mom insists on paying for it. It comes automatically. I was pretty surprised when my conventional western medicine gastroenterologist told me to take milk thistle.

[Jangchub]

Thank you Ann. Push comes to shove, I do have my champions in this newsgroup! How can we NOT know one another for over a decade and not discuss things? Geesh.

v

[Jangchub]

The stickier the better! :)

[Jangchub]

My SIL has hyperthyroid....I think. It may be hypo. She's a rail, is a yogini in perfect shape and she's been taking thyroid medication for years and till a few months ago she felt fine. Now she's exhausted again. Since she is only 45 and not really going through menapause yet, I think it may be something to do with her hormone levels. Too much estrogen or not enough. She was using topic progesterone and may have been using too much. They're trying to get her straightened out, but I know from talking to her how difficult this problem can be and how hard it is to regulate once out of wack. It can be done so just keep going...

v

[Jangchub]

Many of the eastern cultures consider eggs as a black food. Not all, but many. Yogini's don't eat eggs, onions or garlic. I am Buddhist and there are certain days we shouldn't eat eggs or other black foods. I'd have to look at the calendar and I'm not very adherent.

v

[Jangchub]

Yes, I didn't clarify, but I meant corn. When someone says corn fed, run the other way.

Okay, I concede. I was focused on beef. I should have been more broad in my thought.

Oh, I certainly was not proselytizing to anyone here. This is my choice and my spiritual path. My husband eats meat and I make it for him, but he eats very little. These days there are so many ways to cook nutritious foods using alternative measures. There are times where he doesn't even know he isn't eating meat. Fortunately, I didn't marry a big fuss pot. He appreciates most of what I cook for him. Now if I can get him off hot dogs that would be great. Till then, at least I buy Kosher.

[Ann]

Jangchub expounded:

V, tell her to be careful about soy. I think it triggered my episode. More here

. When I eliminated soy from my diet (soy milk every morning, lots of tofu meals, nevermind all the soy they put in everything nowadays) my symptoms abated. I'm not saying it's gone, but things are more under control. I'll find out more tomorrow.

[Billy]

From her self aggrandizing posts it is safe to say that I am not interested in knowing. I expressed my opinion but they always seem to rile you up. I'm sure you know where you can go, and what you can do there.

[Billy]

Oh, Om, you know me. I love dirt. Nothin' wrong with a little shit that time won't cure. Out in the garden, the shit is aged (it doesn't, as you well know, doesn't go in green), subjected to UV radiation from good ol' Mother Nature, and her helpmates, the fungi and the bacteria. Mother Nature spinning gold from hay. Problem as I see it from 'ponics, is that you would be growing with chem ferts and chem ferts and phyto-nutrients don't seem to go together, from what I've read.

Always a pleasure to chat with you.