As I've said before, I can respect the fact that you're opinionated,
and stand firmly for the things you think are important.
But, you have this attitude, where anyone that disagrees with you is
unitelligent, uneducated, and <fill in any/all of your usual descriptors>.
You like to portray yourself as holier-than-everyone-else. You have *the*
answer, while no one else comes close.
Maybe you've always been this way, but it's only lately that I've begun
to see you as nothing more than a non-religious bible thumper.
While I'm sure that you couldn't care less about my opinions (or anyone
else's, for that matter), you *don't* have all the answers.
There's lots of stuff you're missing.
I'm hoping you'll catch up.
And, that's exactly what I'm talking about... You always *think* you
I *misspelled* a word, which a spell-checker would have caught.
A *grammar checker* (By the way, you should've used your *spell checker*
on that one! <g>) would have told me if my sentence was grammatically
In the case of the HA, their primary goal was to slow down,
not necessarily stop the cops. The large concrete blocks
in front of the concrete wall keep a backhoe at a significant
distance too. All in all, the design looks like a typical
US embassy or consulate.
Cameras, man, cameras.
Cops, whether local guys on the beat, DEA agents, Secret Service, swat
teams, or anything, don't fear guns. They make sure they're always more
heavily armed than and outnumber the people they've been told to take out.
And they don't worry too much about heavily fortified buildings. As
your post states, if they find a door or wall that their battering rams
can't take down, they'll use a backhoe; if that doesn't work, a bulldozer.
What law enforcement fears; what can really put a stop to what they're
doing, is cameras. A single video of a cop doing something that doesn't
look right, sent to the media, will be more damaging to a cop than a
million guns, and a bigger impedement to their goals than a house built
like Fort Knox.
I saw video today of a scuffle between cops and evacuees. One of the
cops completely ignored his cohorts efforts to get a handle on the
situation, and instead approached the camera-man - yelling "TURN OFF THE
CAMERA! TURN OFF THE CAMERA NOW!"
I'd warn against shooting a cop surrounded by other cops (with guns) in
I'd say the camera guy should have kept rolling, braced himself, and
seen if he could get the coming assault by an officer caught on film.
He had something to fear.
Remember Rodney King? It wasn't a gun that brought the LAPD to its
knees. It was a camera. Cameras are better than any other thing at
capturing the truth. And when the truth is leaked about police
activity, it's often rough for the cops involved.
Witness Amadou Diallo.
You had a shot up until the "unwanted government interference". There is
nothing that can be built to stand up or resist that.
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
Easy.... Find a Mountain in the Rockies build a deep shaft........ Building
in New Orleans disregards your own concerns. You can't account for all the
possibilities of a Hurricane it's to independent and random, best you can do
is work from historical data. By it's own design if a storm impacted the
area, you would become an oasis, and if offering no assistance most likely
you will simply be destroyed using most readily a flammable liquid.
I see you account for your own failure? And the house would need a secure
means of transportation for escape if
necessary. I'd say the best would be a hot air balloon..................
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:39:12 GMT, "HMFIC-1369" < snipped-for-privacy@VVet.comBaa
Baa> wrote:>Since everybody for the most part overlooked the obvious........ I'd say it
Normal houses should be able to survive a direct hit Cat 2 hurricane
(correct me if I am wrong). A direct hit from anything above that
will cause damage however strong you build it. Once there is damage
and the rainwater/floofwater gets in the inside contents that can
absorb water are toast. And the stronger and heavier your building
the more damage there will be to your house and to your neighbor's as
the parts tear off in the high wind or flood surge. You also don't
want to build a house so heavy that it looks like a prison and cost
more than one. You'll never pass the guidelines for neighbourhood
architectural conformity anyway.
So we can presume that your house will look be built like one of those
antebellum houses that makes New Orleans so charming. It should also
be a two storey house so that you will have a place of refuge in case
If I were to rebuild what I will do is to design a house that will
have a concrete structural frame that will stand intact in a Cat 5
storm. Presumably the main panels and outlets for utility llines,
water pipes and other services will be attached to or be protected by
this concrete frame. This is so that while the service runs to the
rest of the house can be destroyed one can easily re-establish new
connections to the main panels and outlets.
Everything else of regular construction can tbe damaged, be blown or
washed away but the frame stands. That way I can easily tear down the
roof and walls and quickly rebuild without having to bulldoze the
whole structure or having to resubmit the building approvals.
A refinement to this house design will be to make the first floor
level a sacrificial part that a storm surge can wash away without
bringing the second floor with it, or damaging the structure of the
house. I saw some TV shots of a breachfront house in the Carolinas
that survived such a surge. That left the house looking like it was
built on stilits. The second floor was damaged and not worth
salvaging. But had someone taken refuge there (none) that person
would have survived. A conventionally build house would have been
totalled and killed everyone within it.
One can understand the desire to stay in and sit out the storm, mainly
to prevent looting, and perhaps to fix fixable damage on the fly
before it becomes a big one. The chances of a direct hurricane hit are
small enough for most homeowners to take this risk. The chances of a
direct hit is nonetheless there and it will seem very stupid by then
to risk life and limb for a house.
Therefore the problem should be recast as how can one stay for a less
threatening storm and yet survive the perfect storm?
The answer will be a storm-proof safe room built on top of this
concrete structure. It will probably be the size of a large bathroom
and made of steel or concrete for protection against flying debris or
tree falls. It should be capable of being buttoned down and float
upright like a boat should it be dislodged. At that level of storm
intensity there is no longer any consideration of living in it to
guard your property. All you want is to survive the perfect storm and
get the hell out, a stay of less than 48 hours.
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