Over the years I have seen a number of Unisaws...both old and new.
I have also heard a number of owners tell me why their saw was better
than the other.
Now I have the possibility to buy an Unisaw and have the opportunity to
buy either a newer or older saw locally...so now it's time to sort
through the truth from the hype.
Which would you choose...older or newer, why and what would you pay for
Finally if you were checking out an used Unisaw, what would you check?
I would lean toward older - 8 to 10 years old or older. I started the
search for a Unisaw about 5 years ago pretty much predisposed to Unisaw. My
expectatioins were based on Unisaws I used in a friends shop and in a
college-level cabinet class. I found out they had changed. They have
changed more during the past couple of years. I ended up not buying one
because they seemed overpriced.
Just an example: Check out the hand-crank locks on older vs newer. Also
table finish seems better on older saws. While it might be possible, I was
having trouble pricing just a saw because I didn't have room for extended
rails and side table. The side tables seem flimsy. The fences are still
good but you can get good fences, or aftermarket fences for other machines.
IMHO the old ones are better. Again IMHO nothing since 1999 is better.
There have numerous reports including me witnessing a Unisaw delivered new
with broken trunions. This problem was an incorrect torqueing procedure at
the factory according to Delta. This went on for several years before Delta
quit blaming the shipping company and admitted responsibility.
When I was in the market 6 or 7 years ago I compared Jet directly to Delta
side by side. I bought the Jet.
This problem was an incorrect torqueing procedure at
Absolutley not true and I don't know why you keep posting this
garbage, every time the subject comes up. Please tell me who
"according to Delta". It might add credibility to your claim.
This went on for several years before Delta
Absolutely not true. Broken trunnions the result of a specific knock
down by either the shipping companies (multiple, Delta used many), or
in some cases I'm sure, a tip over in the distribution center after it
was moved from Memphis to Jackson, TN. I watched many trunions
broken as we tried to purposely break them by trying every type of
drop and tipover possible.
If you preferred the Jet saw that is fine. That's why there are
choices. But don't post lies about the other choices.
IIRC Charles Self reported this. And yes it is true. Call Delta for you
No other company had the problems with broken trunions like Delta did. Jet
did not have problems, nor Powermatic, nor Grizzley, Craftsman.
Common sense points to Delta having the problem unless you believe that the
shipping companys had it out for Delta and tried to only damage their units.
For that matter it was often reported that Grizzley TS's arrived upside down
with no truniopn damage.
If a particular brand cannot survive the shipping while the competition
does, I DONT WANT IT.
The Delta had a broken trunion also. I did not prefer Jet prior to seeing
that some Unisaws were incapable of bein gshipped withoput damage. I was
personally contacted by Delta regarding a Unisaw with a broken trunion
setting at a local dealer. He claimed shipping also. Well Yes it was
shipping, the same shipping that delivers all the other brands.
Call Delta? Call who in Delta? I ran the factory that you are
accusing of a bad torque parctice and are posting on this site that
Delta told you that. Who in Delta told you that? If there was a
problem with the torque practice or specification, I would have been
the one to report it as I did many other problems that occurred during
Product was ISTA transit tested. Do you know what that means? It
means it has to pass a series of tests that simulate extreme but
normal handling in shipping. Tests like inclined ramp, straight drop,
and truck vibration tests. Pack passed without incident.
There is no doubt trunions were broken. It came from tipovers onto
the front edge of the table sliding off forks. That is not normal
handling. And neither you nor I have any meaningful statistics on the
other the competitors saws shipping damage rates.
And it is Delta's responsibility to the customer, regardless of the
bad handling practices by the shipper, and every customer who was
affected was made whole or offered the opportunity to be made whole.
Your purchase choice is your choice, but I resent you continuing to
post, as you have for years, that the "factory" was not properly
torquing the units and that was causing broken trunnions. It is not
true and it is an insult to the many fine people who built those
If you ran the factory then this should not be news to you unless you ran
the factory before the problems started or simply went with an internal
degree of defect acceptability.
I have absolutely no reason to fabricate this information and no reason to
do ill will towards Delta.
I do not know what it means and from a consumers point of view it means
squat. Delta has and or had a trunion breakage problem while others did
not. Call it what you want.
Perhaps the Deltas just cannot take the abuse that its competition can.
Perhaps that is why more and more Delta tools are being built outside the
US. If the tool cannot make it to market with out a particular damage
perhaps it is a package problem also. That is what I suspected until I read
that it was a manufacturing problem. In the beginning I was giving Delta
the benefit of reasonable doubt.
And again I am not saying that Delta is a bad product. I have worked on a
Delta Unisaw and it is top notch but the fact remains that the Unisaws in
the last 10 or so years have not had as good of a track record getting to
the stores and customers undamaged.
Meaningful information to me is reading about complaints. I have heard of
no trunion problems from other manufacturers. The fact that you are
admiting that there were no doubts of broken trunions says something. Can
you bring up instances where another manufacturer have had this particular
And, why did this become a problem in the last 10 years or so, did the
shipping company just decide to pick on Delta?
No doubt as any other manufacturer will, however 6 years ago when I looked
at a Delta on the show room floor with a broken trunion the salesman
indicated that the saw had been like that for months. Was Delta not
interested in making the repair in a timely mannor or did Delta simply not
have enough spare trunions to go around?
Resent it all you want but until a change is or was made in the manfacturing
process the problem continued. If the factory ignored the obvious, read
that as the company with broken trunion problems, then perhaps an insult is
in order if that is the way want to read that. If it smells like a fish,
looks like a fish, or tastes like a fish, it must be a f....
You might as well also focus your looking the other way on others here as
many have witnessed a decline in the quality of Delta equipment and that was
going on before loosing the prevlidge of building Delta machinery to Tiawan.
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:09:20 GMT, "Leon"
More garbage. First you say" Delta" admitted to a "torque process or
specification problem" after blaming the shippers for many years. OK
who in Delta admitted it? You mention Charlie Self? When did he work
for Delta at the factory. Then you say you read it somewhere. Where?
On this unmoderated usenet news group?
That is my only beef. What you say is just not true. Trunnions broke,
but not from a torque process or spec problem.
You posted several years ago and several times in between. the last
time I respectfully protested and posted the truth. But for some
reason you keep reposting this erroneous information. I can't imagine
On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:57:18 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
No, in this case I don't agree. Frank was one of those "many fine
people at Delta" and I respect the fact that he feels defensive about
the product and a loyalty to the company that produced it. I for one,
am glad to have him on the wreck to sometimes clear the air. On Delta
issues, he's Da Man.
So do I.
As an employee of a large, MBA-run, bureaucratic company, I might have
an idea of what he's been through.
Frank is just like everyone else who wants to put out a product or
service they can be proud of. Some corporations simply make that
impossible for the guy in the trenches.
For many years they (corporate) left us alone and it was possible to
put out a good product that was respected and sold well. Then they
decided to "get involved" and you know the rest of the story.
True, but I also have a few years working on the shop floor by the
hour. I consider that to be at least equal if not of greater
importance than the MBA in educational value.
A close friend, who is also an HR recruiter, once told me I should
take that hourly experience off my resume as prospective employers
would consider it irrelevant. I explained to him that if they
considered it irrelevant, I didn't want to work for them.
This from a guy who does his roux in the microwave. ;)
LOL ... MBA 101: Effective use of technology.
Any time you're down this way let me know you're coming and you can make up
your own mind about the end result of that particular "effective use of
I has one o dem MBA's an ah kin tell ya that unless peoples be will ta
pay fur dem products & services dat dem workers is bein prowd of deer
ain't a gonna be no monies to be able to pay da workers wages.
But don't believe me.
Stop in your local wal-mart and watch the stupid masses going ape over
the cheap stuff, all the while saving themselves right out of jobs.
Yeah but I like to live dangerously. ;<)
Considering that there are many more "older" Unisaws than new ones, I
would think that this would be a discussion that would interest many on
How about some more contributions folks?
Jane & David wrote:
If you can buy an older, clean Unisaw, and save several bucks, why would
Assuming you need one, of course.
As someone else said, the tool hasn't changed substantially over the
decades, except to get easier to manufacture, deliver and sell to a fairly
static price point. Except for the left tilt option, there have been few
substantial changes. And some would argue whether that was substantial.
Go buy your saw, and make something memorable!
MBA & woodworker, too
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