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Very Interesting questions. More questions, and this time some_good_ questions.
While some have little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:
*_What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?
So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?
*And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?
*The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.
It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.
*Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A : Yes, by his own admission.
*Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities. 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport, that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008..
Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.
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Interesting? really??
Joe, you're a nut-job.
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On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:12:55 -0700, Robatoy wrote:

Was there a full moon last night?
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Check out this site........ http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/passport.asp
Joe wrote:

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"Joe" wrote:

Don't give up what ever it is you are smoking and/or drinking.
Lew
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Lew, you know people can get plenty high without losing their reasoning ability. Don't encourage the guy to destroy that last brain cell.
R
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"RicodJour" wrote:

cell.
You mean there is one left?
Lew
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Joe wrote:

I agree with you. Many things that are being done are not authorized by the Constitution. Ex. over 30 Czars not authorized by Congress and being paid with our tax dollars. I think he knows his days are numbered as President and that's why he is pushing so much through. I hope we can undo the things he and Pelosi have managed to get passed. Nuff said!
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You're right, his days are numbered. He has the rest of this term and all of the next. Chances are high that he will be reelected. By the time of the next election, the economy will have improved (which would happen whether he did anything or not). The people, being as wise as they generally are, will attribute the economic recovery to him and reelect him.
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My personal life does not evolve around Obama, but he fits the "tax and spend" model perfectly.
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wrote:

You get a tax break and he had to spend to clean up Bush's mess maybe you should pay more attention.
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Hmmm....
Tax and spend dems, where you get services for what is spent or tax and give it away repubs, where you get nothing for what is spent. The choice is clear to me.
Ed
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Maybe YOU should pay more attention. Ask yourself these questions:
If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?
If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the nonexistent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?
If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to Cinco de Cuatro in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the fourth of May (Cuatro de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?
If George W. Bush had misspelled the word advice would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is?
If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded hes a hypocrite?
If George W. Bushs administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he is inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?
If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans, would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?
If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of=2 0a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?
If GeorgeW. Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plans holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?
So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 5 months -- so you'll have three years and seven months to come up with an answer.
G.S.
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No, but I didn't approve of his, "Bring it on" comment either.

No, but I didn't think much of his comment, "You're doing a good job, Brownie" either.

Are you sure that's what was on the Video? Just think of the laughs the Queen would have enjoyed watching a video of The Shrub's speeches.

Nope. To my knowledge, none of America's presidents have ever bowed to foreign potentates.

What language does Bush speak?

Well, one thing about it; they were at least smart enough to do their own taxes, something not many in Bush's cabinet could claim.

Are you sure it wasn't "Cinco de Mayo"?

Well, duh !

George Bush wouldn't have to do anything more than he has already to convince me that he's a hypocrite.

You haven't really kept up with the rest of that story, have you.

If anyone ever needed a teleprompter to keep himself on message, to keep from mauling the English language and to keep from making an ass of himself, it has to be George Bush.

What news sources are you depending on for your info?

Nope, and I don't approve of Obama's act either.

No. I don't approve of budget busting.

You're being redundant.

Oh, hell no!

Damn right, she's a cutie.

In contrast to Bush? Uh...brains, education, ability. Too bad his political philosophy is just as far to the left as Bush's was to the right.
Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all

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TexMax wrote:

Bit of a different horse there

Well, given that it was the White House who disclosed what was on the iPod, I guess that is a good question.

There is absolutely zero doubt that the current president did bow to the king of Saudi Arabia. The excuses given that he was bending because of height differences, etc. just don't stand up to scrutiny of the actual video. The current president of the US bowed to the leader of the House of Saud.

Interesting response. Pretty much answers the original question -- the meme was that Bush was an idiot, the current idiot in chief has made way more gaffes (All 57 states ...) and pretty much gets a pass.

Wow, this is fun. The fact is they were *NOT* smart enough to do their own taxes as evidenced by the fact that they did not do those taxes.

Yep, your president is a pandering dunce.

Double standard much?

... and statists have the nerve to say that conservatives are biased. We at least had the temerity to disagree with Bush when he was wrong -- Medicare Drug Bill, Amnesty for Illegals.

Oh, please enlighten us. How do you salvage this situation? Especially after the administration initially had planned to keep the pictures taken classified until the hue and cry became so great that they released ONE photo -- a photo that could just as easily been generated with Photoshop rather than the enormous waste of resources by flying the presidential plane and scaring the populace of NYC silly. Actually, it's kind of poetic justice since NYC contains a majority of Obama voters, so from that standpoint, it was kind of a win.

Uhhh, umm it would cost ... uhhh about ummm, ahhh, hold-on I'm gonna get to it, uhhhh ahhhh ummmm it would cost about .....
[Hint, that wasn't GWB who stuttered that phrase]

Well, there is some hope for you

OK, you've got some glimmer of hope, but then ...

Frankly, the guy is either heavily editing himself when talking, or is a bigger dunce than you ever thought Bush was. His actions and activities appear calculated to destroy the US economy and free market. You don't solve the previous budget deficit by tripling it (and that is by optimistic estimates). The man has never run anything in his life. The only thing he has done is campaign for the next highest office. He spent less than 144 days in the Senate before starting to run for POTUS and sponsored or pushed no major legislation, one can't point to a single accomplishment. I used to think that he memorized well and was able to regurgitate the teachings of his mentors (Ayers, Alinski, etc.). However, given his performance off-teleprompter, even that is questionable. If he succeeds in implementing his agenda, the US will not be the same country we grew up in. Even the Europeans are starting to see what their socialist utopia has wrought and they are just now starting to try to roll some of that back. This president on the other hand has his foot on the accelerator to push this country into that same flawed societal model.
If you really listen to what he says, he's not cool, he's cold.

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If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

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Gordon Shumway wrote:

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Gordon Shumway wrote:

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Gordon Shumway wrote:
> Maybe YOU should pay more attention. Ask yourself these questions:
Decent points except:
> If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plans holdings of GM > stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you > have approved?
The percentage of GM stock stolen by Obama and redistributed to Big Brother and the Unions is 100%. Any common stockholder that owned GM common stock lost 100% of it to the government and the unions.
Also, a question you missed: If George W. Bush had mentioned, in public,(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
) that he had visited all 57 states, except Alaska and Hawaii, would you have called him dumb?
Also begging the question is: If George W. Bush had attended David Dukes sermons every week for years where Dukes blamed blacks for everything plaguing us from Aids to Zebra breath, would you consider Bush a racist?
Jack

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I must have my history confused. Didn't GM go to the government asking for bailouts? In a private jet, no less? During the Bush administration?
If the government had refused that bailout, how much of the GM common stock would be lost? 100%.
Creditors end up owning the company after a bankruptcy. Both the union and the government were major creditors. Nothing was stolen.
I suspect it is going to be a lousy investment for the taxpayers, but that is a different subject.
-- Doug
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Douglas Johnson wrote:

Seems to me that Obama fired the CEO of GM, exactly what any socialist dictator should have done, then redistributed the company to the government and the unions.

Who knows. Perhaps the court could have done what they do when a company goes into bankruptcy? Perhaps GM could have come back, or, gone out of business, or, been sold. I may have lost all my stock anyway, but thats far better than having a socialist dictator steal it from me and pretend the "taxpayers" own it. Give me a break.

In my opinion, the government stole it. The executive branch should not be firing anyone in a company I own. The government, in a capitalist economic system should not own ANY company.

Same subject. In a capitalist society, which we were at one time, private citizens owned companies, not the government, and if the business failed, it failed. Government buy outs is simply wrong.
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