Buy wood screw assortment packs? (online USA)

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This is where Ignore Subthread really shines, especially if the particular branch has gone completely off topic and you're the original poster looking for enlightenment.

I guess some people can remember without opening the next post in a particular thread branch, but not me.

Thanks, and have fun.

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John Doe
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You make a statement like that like you have been there and done that. Have you? If so please elaborate on your personal experience or are you just going by what you google. I always like to know with whom I'm debating a point. Often establishes credibility.

And by the way, I understand there are good prices on tires coming from China you might want to put your family on if you have that type of confidence. I can hardly hear from the uproar of end user consumers that are clamoring for those tires to put on their cars. They may save ten bucks or so and they can hardly wait.

Either way, I rest my case. My point is that the END USER CONSUMER is not driving the headlong rush to lower quality products that would be used by people who would be on this forum or their peers. that was the original premise that you disagreed with.

Those that have not fallen asleep from this thread may decide for themselves.

Have a nice fourth.

Frank

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Frank Boettcher

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I am not metallurgical, I'm nuclear and have been there for power generation reasons. The knowledge of their foundry capabilities is from the aforementioned friend who has been (and continues to be) a manager and chief engineer at various foundries on his experience and the (also aforementioned) company's experience in shift much of the production to China. He spent months there every year for about six or seven working out the transition, etc. The extensive travel was a major factor in leaving them for his present position. It wasn't easy, but it did succeed (eventually).

Actually, they are (clamoring for $10 savings, that is). A warehouse opened up here just the other day and some of their initial stock was, am I told, some of these imports.

As noted previously, there seems to be no end to the demand for "cheap" amongst the bulk of the buying public.

What you and I choose as individuals has little overall effect -- now if you could convince two of your buddies, and each of them two of theirs, and so on...

I still disagree in that I think the bulk of the readership of r.w is just casual joe's, not much different in habits than the overall population...

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dpb

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I like their simple/clear illustrations. Bought a zinc plated #8 assortment (that includes a required squarehead screw bit and screwdriver) and a 1/8" x 3/8" countersink thingy. Shipping was only $7.50 (US) so I passed on the unplated screw assortment pack. Yada yada yada.

I've noticed square drill bits at the hardware store lately.

Mostly off-topic, and for what it's worth. I like the point choices of their "security" screw bit assortment pack, but looks like the screw bits fit into a magnetic holder. Seems to me most of the problem fasteners are recessed in a narrow hole. Currently, I have a set of thin torx screwdrivers. Would like some of those two point type screw bits too, but on the end of narrow shafts. And then maybe an assortment of star drive stuff. Maybe some day. At least square bits/tips are easy to understand :)

Have fun... see you later.

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John Doe

dpb wrote in news:f6edlm$3ll$ snipped-for-privacy@aioe.org:

There is now. For a while, it was touch and go and grumble. The court fight was something to behold, but there were certainly those who lost heavily in the battles.

Patriarch

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Patriarch

There were always alternatives and I personally don't think it was ever in doubt there would be...

imo, etc., ...

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dpb

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Reply to
J. Clarke

I don't recall this "court fight" over Linux.

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J. Clarke

dpb wrote in news:f6f8gj$df8$ snipped-for-privacy@aioe.org:

Yes, there were alternatives. But some of the ways that the pricing was set, buyers, even of just main boards, still ended up paying for a copy of Windows...

Many things have changed. But not all.

Patriarch

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Patriarch

Which doesn't mean that you're obligated to use it.

Reply to
J. Clarke

Not really, the entire ideal free market model is predicated on willing buyers and sellers with perfect knowledge of price and quality.

Consumers don't *know* the quality until after they buy. They might not buy from that store in the future after they've been burned a few times, but how many screws does the average person buy in a lifetime? A company that is using thousands of them every day can afford to hire a professional screw-buyer and subject the screws to quality tests, etc. Joe Weekendwoodworker doesn't have the time or resources, and the BORGs know this and take advantage.

I'm not going to drive 30 miles and check prices in 5 different stores before buying a couple dozen screws.

So it's Saturday morning, I've got a project to complete, I don't to blow the day chasing after some needed supplies, so I'm going to the nearest hardware store, hope they have the right size and they aren't complete crap, and buy them. Maybe I could have got better quality online, but they won't get here until Thursday. Maybe they would be 4 cents cheaper, but I have to pay $8 shipping for $5 worth of screws. Multiply by a few hundred million and that's why there is a payoff for corporations to reduce quality. Nobody gets ripped off for their entire life savings (unless you buy stock in the company), everybody gets to pay 10% less for 25% lower quality, and it's almost never worth fighting back. (Are you going to return the stripped screws and try to get a refund? No, at most you'll just try to remember which store and which brand, and get different ones next time, if you can find better, and you aren't in a rush, and they don't all come from the same factory in some 3rd world country no matter where you get them and be happy that you bought a box of 50 when you only needed 25 because you only have 5 left.

If you're dealing with contractors, you're probably doing this for a living, not just some average consumer who is spending .000001% of his annual income on screws.

Reply to
John Santos

SCO ... and, lately, the 800 pound gorilla has been making some rumbling noises again.

Reply to
BillinDetroit

Having already paid for it, so long as Windows works 'well enough' (tm), there is little incentive to just pitch it and try something else.

I've been a Linux user for several (10+) years. But I've never pulled Windows off a machine before it fell apart on its own.

Nor have I ever re-installed it. Ain't happenin' Jack.

Bill

Reply to
BillinDetroit

Who the hell said I'm willing?

God point, but there is no free lunch.

A price too far from the norm (either high or low) is an indication of a probable problem.

I don't either, that's why UPS exists.

Your lack of planning is your problem.

My days of dealing with contractors are long gone; however, years spent as a working design engineer as well as lots of window shopping as a young kid because I couldn't afford to buy the stuff in the window, teaches you to be a prudent steward of ones available resources.

Lew

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Lew Hodgett

The SCO lawsuit seems to be suicide by lawyer--they were hoping IBM would cave and give them a big settlement and it appears that IBM has decided to hammer them into the ground instead.

As for Microsoft "rumbling", OIN is rumbling back, and it appears that OIN can hurt Microsoft worse than Microsoft can hurt Linux.

Reply to
J. Clarke

Most people don't care whether they already paid for it. What matters is that it's on the machine and works well enough so why mess with anything else.

I've managed Unix shops and Windows shops and don't see a lot to choose between them.

I don't let what came on the machine influence how I use it--I generally ditch the bundled OS regardless, if there is a bundled OS.

Reply to
J. Clarke

Agreed ... this should make for yet another interesting school yard scrap.

Bill

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BillinDetroit

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Umm.

Both of the items ordered were listed as in stock. I do a lot of online shopping, I never order backordered products. Even if any of those products have been listed as backordered, they explicitly state "McFeely's does not charge additional shipping for items that are backordered."

I was told that the screws were backordered, but they immediately charged for the entire order plus shipping.

Yesterday, McFeely's Square Drive Screws removed more money from my bank account, a duplicate charge equal to part of the order plus shipping.

Screwing with my bank account rubs me the wrong way.

Reply to
John Doe

Apparently you have to make sure that the parts are in stock by calling or whatever. Anyway, the screws shipped today.

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John Doe

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Dude... you're the one with the love affair. Personally, I prefer having at least two choices I can live with.

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John Doe

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