Well, since he bought a complete set like this it's unlikely he has experience of decent pro tools.
I'm not saying they aren't excellent value for DIY, though. However, for things like kitchen work I'd have thought mains tools more useful - I can't see a circular saw doing much before the battery goes flat, for example.
Not quite - he's of a similar outlook to me (though normally rather more extreme), so has a fair smattering of industrial stuff around.
I'll find out how he gets along with the circular saw. He has a huge Makita with alloy baseplate and the lot, which I have borrowed on a couple of occasions. My thoughts are that this is slightly too big and heavy for frequent use which is why he wanted a smaller one, and the battery tool might have just fitted this gap for smaller cuts. He's most unlikely to use it for slicing up MDF panels though, which is where the Makita excels. Given the choice of buying just one circ saw, I'd go for a moderate sized corded industrial model every time, as I suspect he would also.
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IMM is jealous because Andy knows stuff, whereas IMM only knows stuff he's read on leaflets. This has resulted in IMM developing a major inferiority complex, which causes his anti-social behaviour.
It stands for International Man of Mystery - like in Austin Powers? It's a little fantasy of his.
Maplins have a couple of 24 volt ones with batteries that look like my imitation Makita's. I am so in love with my £75 copy that I am thinking of getting one of the Maplin ones.
"What?"
Maplins are selling them for £40. I went around Argos and they want half as much again for mere 18 volt ones. This imitation Makita is ideal for drilling out mortice catches and I even used it to fit some maortice locks a few days ago. It needs to be charged up well though. 2 batteries drilled through 1 1/2 door locks. I had hung the two doors though; so how much power had that drained and I'd used the drill the day prior and not recharged it.
One excellent machine!
I think I'm going to have to try a few out. I'll check Axminster's catalogue as well and see how they rate the stuff including Skil.
Was speaking to a carpenter today using a PP Pro drill and circular saw (and this guy does know his carpentry). He swears by Makita which he used back in Hungary. He is happy with the PPPro drill but the cordless circular he says is a nightmare - it just goes all over the place when he does an angled cut.
Richard, I've heard PPPro is made by Ryobi but can't find much to back this up beside the fact that they look similar.
Will there ever be a drill thread on here which does not end up in a ruck? :-)
Cheers for all the responses!
So your uninformed opinion then.
I was browsing through a Selfbuid mag and they threw in a an add catalogue for Toolstation.
Amongst the blue Bosches they had Ryobi tools. One was £450. Some amateur maker eh! Also there was book by Fine woodworking, a large US mag. It is their assessment of power tools. On the drill driver pages amongst Makita and DeWalt, was Ryobi. Ryobi was give 4 stars out of five for customer satisfaction, the same as the Makita. And UK Ryobi's are supposed to be better than the US versions.
None of this is my opinion.
You need lots of bedrest.
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I'm pretty informed and careful when it comes to power tool purchase.
They also sell Rexon and some own brand cheap crap.
A cow is a quadruped (this means it has four legs). This does not mean that all quadrupeds are cows.
I am familiar with it since I am a subscriber.
Taunton's 2004 Tool Guide. I have a copy in front of me.
You're being a little selective here.
The article is about 18v cordless drills with tests based on power, endurance and comfort.
The Panasonic came out in the lead as editor's best value choice and reader's choice with an overall score of 4.53. Even though it was a
15.6v model, it had better torque and battery endurance than any of the 18v models, driving 463 screws whereas the next nearest, Metabo did 110 less. This is a clear vindication of something that I have said on numerous occasions as have others, that the battery technology is absolutely key in cordless tools. If you compare different makes, you quickly notice that the battery cost is higher in the better quality branded makes for demonstrable reasons. Here, the Panasonic costs about £230 inc. The U.S. street price of $195 together with the current exchange rate would make it very interesting to import one.The other branded professional tools are in the 4.1 to 4.3 points range.
Ryobi comes second from bottom at $99 and 3.9 points, the lowest being a Grizzly at $85 and 3.55 points.
If you are going quote articles, at least do so accurately and not selectively.
The product mentioned in the article is made by Ryobi Technologies Inc who manufacture exclusively for Home Depot. As I am given to understand not the same company.
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No you are not. You just buy the most expensive and attempt to justify your purchase, and they recommend them to DIYers who will used them about 6 times a year.
Ryobi is amateur to you, at £450 for some tools. Please!!! Yes dear just off to B&Q to spend £450 on a tool to put the shelves up.
Price/performance is something you should take on board. The top batteries for life are "very" expensive. So expensive you can buy 10 cheapies, and still have change, and collectively still outlasts the top performer by very wide margin.
As I said "Ryobi was give 4 stars out of five for customer satisfaction, the same as the Makita." A few others were in the same rating too. They only assessed high quality tools and Ryobi was in the bunch of about 8 or 10 of them.
Andy? Please! They look identical with the same logo's as any other Ryobi.
Toolstation also sell a 600w Ryobi SDS drill on offer for £60 or £70. I'm not sure if it has rotary stop or not. Looks good.
I buy the most appropriate tool for my intended use. Price is a factor, but not the only factor. We have had the TCO and quality discussions before so I see no point in repeating them.
DIY does not automatically equate to cheap or low quality or low expectation of work quality.
In this particular thread the OP was looking for something for professional purposes.
It depends on what the tool is. £450 for an 18v combi pack is by no means top of the range.
Oh Ido, and I always look for it.
Not in my view or in that of the readers who were involved in this review.
Makita scored 4.16. The range was from 3.55 to 4.53
The Grizzly was an $85 model with one battery, no electric brake and the lowest performance. This is not high quality.
Price ranges were from $85 to $309 (for the Metabo).
This represents a sweep from across the range.
Ever heard of licensing?
In the U.S. this is Home Depot's own brand along with Ridgid.
.andy
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Presumably it says so on the box......
.andy
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Of course, and not pay silly money for it.
The point? It is NOT amateur!!!
I have two Bosch battery tools and three 1 hour charge batteries. Each to replace is approx £60, the last time I looked. I love my 12v drill/driver because of the small size and light weight and excellent balance. So, if the batteries go I might consider buying a small simlar drill/driver from a cheaper maker. The Makita lookalikes in Maplin, someone was on about, look good enough for me.
Never heard of it and name is apt then.
Apart from the Grisly, they all looked heavy DIY to mostly pro stuff.
So a better deal in the UK then.
No doubt it would. It is also from a reputable maker.
True, but for somebody using a tool professionally, if it works better, has a longer lifetime and doesn't need to be returned faulty then paying more may well be worthwhile, simply for not having to waste the time.
That doesn't correlate at all.
Three or four cheap tools in a box adding up to £450 is still three or four cheap tools. They don't magically become better because they are packed in a nice plastic box.
That's fine then. Feel free to go ahead and buy one. I hope that you find it good enough for your needs and don't feel upset when you have to return it broken.
It's a brand of tools and machinery in the U.S.
They all were pro products apart from the Grizzly($85) and the Ryobi($99).
There is then a price jump to $180 for the Hitachi, $195 for the Panasonic, $200 for the Porter Cable, Milwaukee and Bosch at $240, Makita at $250, DeWalt at $270 and the Metabo at $309.
No, I don't think so.....
.andy
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From my look at and play with a number of the Ryobi products, I was not impressed. For the price I suppose they are not bad for non-demanding use, but anything more? No I don't think so.
.andy
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All true, and that's why he is looking at Ryobi.
drill/driver
IMM has already stated in the multimeter thread that he's not hands on anymore (if he ever was) so cheap tools are probably adequate for his occasional use.
For serious DIY, few would disagree that pro tools perform better - it's just a question of whether you can or choose to afford them. I've lost count of how mant times I've bought a cheap tool only to replace it with a decent one after experience with it. But of course, many never use these Xmas present sort of tools enough to gain any experience with them.
... at least not regarding the kind of tools that we are talking about here..... ;-)
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Thank's Grunff I hope I haven't upset anyone.
A note on Andy Hall:
My mate said Andy posted a report on a Bosch Router that he had bought and was using it on installing kitchen worktops Andy's report showed that he was impressed by the performance of the router.
Anyway my mate went out and bought the router he still has the router which he said was bought due to Andy's report and he is very very satisfied with the router which he used when installing a kitchen for my Mum.
My mate has used the router to make all his own kitchen units doors and all and has made a brilliant job.
Would it be a good idea if more posters could do similar reports on the tools that they have bought so that people like myself could benefit from the reports.
I would like to thank all you guys out there who help us new to diy I am sure that I speak for lots more like myself.
Peace xxx
Ammer Chewer
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