It was, wasn't it? Showed up what a con the Prius really is.
The emissions are also calculated in a non real world way. Bit like your boilers at over 100% efficiency...
Why would it be whisper quiet when it has a petrol V6 engine running most of the time?
Must be the worst person to sell a lemon to. ;-)
He is a bit of an obsessive, so every litre is logged, so the 60 figure is accurate for him, sorry about that. Try one, take it for a drive, you will be converted.
As for the Hummer being cheap, it is worked out over a 300,000 mile lifespan, from cradle to grave as it were, taking into account costs to build, emissions to build, servicing etc. etc. and costs to dismantle and scrap.
I got the link from one of the car groups.
But there are many people who live in areas where there is little or no alternative to private vehicles.
If VED was banded according to the address of the registered keeper, people in cities would pay more for possessing a car; people in rural areas could pay less. Similar to a congestion charge, but without the need for spy cameras to police. Admittedly some people would falsify the keeper's address, but that would render the insurance invalid and would also be a specific offence.
Although people moan about petrol tax, it doesn't affect behaviour because it's paid so gradually that it's absorbed into general household expenditure. An extra few thousand quid demand once a year would, however, prompt a fair number of people to consider if they really need/can afford a car.
And any employer saying that an employee must have access to a private car should have to pay the VED, to encourage increased use of pool cars or even a taxi account.
Owain
He must be a *very* gentle driver, then, and would get even better MPG from a similar performance diesel.
I have driven one. Several times. And don't like it. It's a very boring car to drive, once you've got over the initial differences. The performance on the open road is very poor and it's far too expensive for a town only car.
Really, I found performance perfectly adequate. Even with 4 adults in the car it seemed ok. Were you perhaps driving a series 1 prius? I haven't tried one of those, but I have read they are significantly slower than the present type 2. In any case it is not marketed as a performance vehicle, yet seems perfectly adequate for general use, he has been on a few multi hundred mile trips and is very happy with it, so you pays yer money etc.
I wouldn't be likely to buy a new one, but a second-hand one at sensible money maybe. the real annoyance is that in the states they are 20k dollars and here they are 20k pounds, not fair really, because at about 12k pounds they would really sell well, even I could just about force myself to pay that for a car (most of my cars came free or nearly so)
mrcheerful
Reasonable.
Which would again favour those with the ability to pay. Is that what you intended?
That's impractical. Increasingly people work from home and so a private car for business purposes becomes essential. Secondly, there is a trend away from company provided cars to car allowances. This becomes somewhat moot because it is treated as income for tax purposes.
Generally though, if people consider that they have a need or desire to use a private car, they will do so, and TBH, the government is wasting its time and our money if it believes it can alter behaviour.
It has on company cars (which significantly determine the user car mix
3+ years from now) - would 50% or so of BMWs be diesel otherwise?
Have a look at:
"Reason Foundation has received $381,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998"
(and here's an example...:)
cheers, Pete.
someone has to pay for research, why not oil companies?
mrcheerful
Everything favours those with the ability to pay. Even the NHS favours those with the ability to pay and go private :-)
Largely true, I'm afraid. But a single expensive payment might have more effect on making people reconsider whether second car ownership for the school run is really worthwhile.
Owain
Different thing though.
The trend from company leased vehicles to car allowance (and typically personal lease) is a simple cash one that can be worked out.
On the one hand there is company provided car with business mileage, fuel allowance, personal mileage etc. leading to a certain tax calculation.
On the other there is car allowance, business, personal use and mileage claim for fuel. The variables are the combinations of personal and business miles and the tax implications of those.
All one has to do is to look at a three year period (for personal lease e.g.) and the trend on company provided car taxation.
At a certain point, they have crossed over or will cross over for most people. At that point, the decision is for a car allowance, it's not one of having a car or not.
Obviously it depends on the individual. I have very little UK business mileage since most of my travel is outside the UK. Thus I have a very low mileage on a car that I took on personal lease over three years ago. Consequently, I can extend the lease at a very low rate for a further two years. Works for me.
My BMW is petrol, but my neighbour's one is a 535d which I've driven. And you'd be hard pressed to know it's a diesel, apart from the fact it doesn't rev so high when pressing on. The performance is stunning too.
I wouldn't have thought there was much work about for a deaf sound man ....
:o)
Yes, they're quiet for a diesel, but "hard pressed" is going a bit far.
Stop talking to yourself!
I suspect you means *emissions natural over it's life* rather than producing zero emissions whilst in use, the two are totally different!...
Pardon?
Inside, of course. But apart from a cold start, they're pretty non diesel like on the outside on a London Taxi scale...
Hmm... Not sure about that.
Maybe..... however, memories of single large payments soon fade....
Beethoven managed....
Wish I had his talent. ;-)
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