Is a TV bolted to a wall portable?

[ARW]

Usually way OTT with their spec

Only RCBOs are allowed by our local council - no split load CUs

[ARW]

Got a link to that?

[Tim Watts]

Might be a bit for forward planning - if they spec metal CUs too, they are probably golden for the next couple of Editions of BS7671!

Some newbuilds in China were using all RCBOs about 5 years ago when I last went - quite impressive. Especially considering the Mao era stock had a a tiny supply (20A? - was very small) if you were lucky... Just enough to manage an electric shower - the sort that heats up a small tank for 30 mins before you want a shower, usually plugged in to an extension lead tied over the shower curtain rail!

[spuorgelgoog]

1. Landlords are required to -

- Ensure that regular electrical safety inspections are carried out by a competent person, and

- Have regard to this guidance issued by Scottish Ministers on electrical safety standards and competent persons.

"Scottish Government Guidance on Electrical Installations and Appliances in Private Rented Property" last file in list of links at

Owain

[spuorgelgoog]

But the actual standard of wiring may be rather lacking. I suppose when you've got 2 days to rewire an occupied house a little finesse is lost.

I've seen T&E entering re-used imperial conduit with no bushing on the end, and a couple of weeks ago a new CU in a landlord's cupboard left without blanks on the unused ways.

Had to laugh -- this was for a door entry system installation. I asked the council electrician "are you wiring the power supply in *this* cupboard because I think the door entry installer has put his power conduit over in *that* cupboard?"

Response was "there's nowhere to take power from in *that* cupboard as it's all TV distribution gear". (Which is powered from a nice handy switchfuse and 13A socket of course.)

Nothing that couldn't be solved with another 10 metres of galv conduit snaking over the ceiling by the door entry installer.

Owain

[ARW]

Ta.

When did the Scot's give up on common sense?

[Windmill]

In principle, I agree. But for one reason or another, some don't tell me when there's a problem. Perhaps because they think they should cope with things themselves, or because they're afraid I would blame them (usually I wouldn't). So there's an argument for testing; I just don't trust the government to set sensible rules. (Why would they change now?)

[Windmill]

If you look further, you'll see that the 'competent person' has to be an employee of an accredited employer, and that inspection has to happen at intervals of 5 years or less.

[Windmill]

My recollection is that a lot of people had to pay 1000 when the original was in fact OK. Profits for the boys.

[Windmill]

I'm already heating only one room in my own house. How much harder do I have to bite? Or should I just do a Rachman?

[Windmill]

Wasn't that one of the things which made diesels more popular?

[Windmill]

And another might say something else. The sparkie as God.

[Windmill]

At a wild guess, there may be 100,000 Scottish properties which will suddenly need to be inspected by December, and in such a bonanza 'need' won't come into it. You have to remember that these are the people who spent around a billion erecting a nonsensical Holyrood building, and who helped the Edinburgh Council to pay a billion for a tram service which few use.

[Windmill]

and

are (I think) two of the items I looked at.

[Windmill]

God knows. There's little sign of it nowadays (but a lot that could be explained if one assumes corruption is the key).

[Tough Guy no. 1265]

No there isn't. It's their problem, they need to tell you or fix it themselves if they think there's a problem. It's them that has to live with it. And if you want your property less likely to catch fire, then by all means go have a nosey once in a while. But the government should have nothing to do with it. They don't make us test stuff in our own home, there's no reason for a rented property to be any different.

Governments and councils are entirely staffed by utter morons. I'm not sure how this came about, but if we just blew them all up and started again, maybe we could make a decent country out of the UK?

[fred]

That should be open to challenge.

You become a competent person by going on a PAT course and that should be that, even if it is the landlords themselves. Requiring beyond that or requiring them to be an employee of anybody is an issue for the human rights brigade.

[Windmill]

I've often thought that one part of the reason for German success is that so much of the previous bureaucracy got blown up! A heavy price to pay, of course.

[Windmill]

Regrettably it's not *only* PAT tests. There's an inspection of the whole electrical installation which must be performed by an employer with EICR accreditation IIRC.

And yes, it is an issue about human rights, but how many do we have left?