Should I have expected any different from you, in particular?
However, I'm not dumb enough to avoid your rage so, tell me dear Mr Huge, what was so dumb as the OP's fragments not being small enough and, in the world of espionage, every piece of data being possibly precious?
And please, the topic was destruction of data not, destruction of disc.
Your friend...
...Ray.
Indeed. Even a small section of 30K of data will make part of a picture or a Word document.
I wasn't orders of magnitude out on my ballpark estimate of what might be extractable from those rather large chunks of disk platter on a per millimetre of track length basis. I simply didn't make any further claims as to how many gigabytes worth of data might be extractable from such a maltreated drive because that rather depends on how much money is available to examine enough metre's worth of tracks in order to find sufficiently good evidence to secure a safe conviction (or even just to provide enough evidence to warrant further surveillance on the suspect). However, I see you were able to understand the point I was trying to make. :-)
There's a difference between not wanting a security agency who is chasin= g after you to find data, and someone to find it by accident when playin= g with an old drive they find at the dump. I'd say almost everyone's ol= d hard disk has enough information to gain access to many many websites = they use, including banks.
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By sheer coincidence, a friend posted this on another forum just before I read this:
"Years ago when I 'Worked' I got really big brownie points from a stockbroker's who needed sensitive data disposed of properly. I got paid a disgusting amount of dosh to take a load of PC's hard disks out then took them home, whacked them with a club hammer a few times then they became part of the footings on the gym Yes I then wrote a report for them to show the FSA saying the data had been totally destroyed. I didn't say 'I whacked em with a hammer then concreted over them' I used posh wording like 'completely irretrievable data' and 'totally secure'."
Mine doesn't and there is no need to physically destroy the drive to ensure that there is nothing useful for someone like that to see anyway.
You remember all your passwords in your head do you?
You could use a wiping program, but not if the drive is rather f***ed.
Oh and most people who salvage drives from skips will swap circuit board= s/platters about with others of the same model to get a functional drive= . Then find your data.
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Nope, I use a proper password manager so I only have to remember the master password.
If the drive is rather f***ed, its very unlikely anyone else will be going to a lot of trouble to read it.
Not with modern drives with the platters.
Yep. an all sector write with random data will render a disk unrecoverable to all but the absolute top data recovery techniques, and that would absolutely involve pulling the platters out and mounting them in a special purpose drive system.
Oh, and the way browsers react to https password info is to NEVER store it on the disk or anywhere else, beyond a cookie that expires in short order.
Bank info is quite safe. You email may not be however.
I'm not convinced that its possible to recover the data that has been security wiped even by doing that last.
I'm sure that the operations which need the highest security physically destroy the drive just because its easy to do and so they do it that way just because it doesn?t cost much to do.
He appears to mean storing them on the drive yourself.
Easily fixed with a decent password manager.
I don?t care, I don?t bother to encrypt it because there isn't anything in any email that I care about and it can be stolen when not in my system, and that's why I ensure that there is never anything in it that I care about losing. Even when a password is issued that way automatically, its completely trivial to change that after its been supplied in an email and it makes sense to do that in case the operation that has supplied it does keep a copy in an insecure form. With a decent password manager, it doesn?t matter a damn if someone gets it from the operation the password is used with.
Neither am I to be frank.
Exactly. The point here is that physically erasing a disks data takes minutes, if not hours. Assuming it has not lareadty failed. Crushing the drive takes under a second.
I know the process because I know people involved in hardware upgrades fir big companies. In fact its not even worth their while to remove the disks and crush them separately. For security they crush the whole machine usually.
Exactly. Nothing on the Internet is utterly safe from people with enough resources. If the NSA want to read my email, they can.
And I wish them joy of it. I am sure that if they wanted they could find out more about me than I know myself. Good luck with that. I don't even find myself *that* interesting.
I thought I was reading that the heads could be adjusted slightly off-track and "old" data picked up that way. Or deduced by examining the absolute signal level picked up from each bit.
As has already been mentioned, heating the drive to red heat will remove all trace of magnetism.
That was drives that used stepper motor head drives.
Haven't been seen for decades now.
Not even possible with a proper security wipe.
I imagine that people with knowledge continue to seek knowledge and have little time to reflect upon themselves :-)
Magnetism. Magnetism!!? The noise my drives make, I thought the '0's and '1's were actually stamped on the platter?
If I write data to a disk three times, are you telling me you can read t= he 4th newest write? I 100% believe that's a load of s**te. Even if th= ere was something left, it would be clouded by the three more recent wri= tes. IF you knew what data had been written the last three times (and y= ou don't because it was random), you might be able to subtract that from= the magnetism and see the 4th one.
I allow my browser to remember all passwords permanently. Mind you the = "enter the 3rd, 5th, 7th chars of your memorable word" aren't. It refus= es to do that.
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It's a cobalt based alloy used for the magnetic medium. You'd need to get it almost white hot to get it over the Curie temperature, the sustrate would melt first,
More fool you with your banking passwords.
So it doesn't matter if anyone reads that drive.
I'm rubbish at remembering passwords, especially as they all have differ= ent requirements so making them all the same is difficult. I also like = to just click a few times to get the page I want. And the chances of my= PC being stolen are pretty remote, and if it was, a quick call to the b= anks is all it needs to lock them down.
Maybe, maybe not. There's bound to be something on there that could be = used. And it's fun to destroy it.
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So you should be using a decent password manager.
With the best of the password managers, you just click once when you specify which bank to log in to.
You don't need to even all the banks at all if you use a decent password manage, just yawn and get a new system or drive.
No maybe about it.
Only if you are actually stupid enough to not have it encrypted.
Only if you are completely unemployable and it beats cleaning the bottom of the parrot cages.
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