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That might be the case in The Netherlands but in England Holland has long been an alternative name for the whole country. That is when it isn't used for the district of Holland.
When I was at school, Ben Nevis was the highest mountain in the UK. Has it moved?
I have now concluded that you have caught Rogerness in a bad way. This is sad. You say bollocks clearly not knowing. Read the Kate Barker report.
0.66% of the population own 70% of the land - FACT!!!!
What about Scotland and NI? They are in the UK. Very selective aren't you. The percetage of aristocratic ownership in these countries is higher than E&W. So this 20% you are on about is more like one third or "more" of the total. The bastard made sure, via the House of (Land)Lords that their land is not on the Land Registry. Land owned before it came about, need not be listed. Only half the land in the UK is registered. Tells you something doesn't it.
Look at:
"Britain has one of the highest proportions of land given over to agriculture in the world, and we produce agricultural surpluses. We are fully integrated in the world economy and rely on imports for almost everything, especially energy - being self-sufficient in food alone is pointless."
"the British countryside is used for agriculture than in any other country of the pre-enlargement EU.40 Much of the product is surplus to requirements, and only produced because of subsidies. The level of production is only kept at a reasonable level by stopping production on some land. It is illogical to claim that urban development has to be constrained to encourage this kind of agriculture."
- Unaffordable Housing
"Except for the few surviving commons, the high roads, the lands of the National Trust, a certain number of parks, and the sea shore below high-tide mark, every square inch of England is `owned' by a few thousand families. These people are just about as useful as so many tapeworms. It is desirable that people should own their own dwelling houses, and it is probably desirable that a farmer should own as much land as he can actually farm."
- George Orwell
Orwell called them tapeworms.
"Across England 7.1 per cent of land is urbanised, in the South East 7.8 per cent of land is urbanised compared to 9.9 per cent in the North West."
- Kate Barker Report
So much for concreting over the South East.
Remain thick then.
It does eleswhere to great effect. You, that is YOU, have everything to gain by it.
Fiddling and doing are two different things.
"Ms Barker's report stated: "Land value taxes could be levied on all undeveloped or vacant land across the country or land allocated for development with outline planning permission or full permission."
"The combination of a potentially wide tax base and the fact that land is physically fixed, which makes avoidance and concealment of the asset and its tax liability very difficult, point to land value taxation as a good method of raising revenue without distorting behaviour."
- Telegraph, February 4, 2005
Do you want quotas? Sounds like the Stalinist system we currently have.
"Across England 7.1 per cent of land is urbanised, in the South East 7.8 per cent of land is urbanised compared to 9.9 per cent in the North West."
- Kate Barker Report
Should be.
"Roger" wrote Rogerness in message news: snipped-for-privacy@nospam.zetnet.co.uk...
Kate Barker. It says up there Roger.
Roger here is a cut from the report: "Across England 7.1 per cent of land is urbanised, in the South East 7.8 per cent of land is urbanised compared to 9.9 per cent in the North West."
- Kate Barker Report
So much for concreting over the South East.
Yep Roger. It would be.
Take out London and no one is in the South East.
Roger a tower block in East London has a very density. Should we take that block out as well? It is so dense it should not be in the figure - it may be even denser because of illegal immigrants. You never know.
You compare entities. Countries are entities Roger. Essex doesn't have its own planning system. Countries do. Get it? Nah you don't.
** snip babbling Rogerness **
" a.. Compares landownership in Britain and Ireland then and now, highlighting how in Britain 70% of land is still owned by less than 1% of the population a.. Reveals the immovable vested interests of Britains landed aristocracy "
The figure is 0.66% of the population own 68% of the land. The sort of figures seen only in tin-pot dictatorships.
Thatcher made the planning system even more Stalinist, to pander to her Tory voting NIMBYs.
"But the public always prefers development to be somewhere else, not near them: NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard. Public participation in the process, the ability to put pressure on local and central government, meant that Conservative homeowners in Conservative shires could block or divert development which might otherwise occur near them. Thus the planning system was not something that the party's core voters wanted to be dismantled in favour of market forces. Indeed, a former speech writer for a Conservative Secretary of State for the Environment told one of the authors that he wrote speeches, with gritted teeth, in praise of planning, and that the Secretary of State, with teeth gritted, delivered them."
"Even then, planning continued untrammelled. Indeed, in 1990, with a move to 'plan led' development, the British system became even more like a Soviet-style central planning system than it had been before. It is a paradox to be savoured that a year after the Berlin Wall came down, whilst the Soviet economy and its satellites were collapsing, a Conservative government should have enforced a system of Soviet-style central planning for the provision of housing in Britain."
posts. :-) Great minds think alike.
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I live in Hertfordshire. Do you consider the above to be underpopulated?
I suppose answering a straight forward question is outside your agenda?
regards
It is not just a matter of height. Mountaineering accidents in bad weather are not uncommon in Britain. You don't build for high population density in inhospitable places, and carrying everything uphill is expensive. Ditto marshlands etc.. Go to somewhere like Italy where hill towns are common and you also note a history of unstable politics and need to hide behind high walls high in the hills despite the inconvenience.
Much of the English love of sinking all their assets into property may be attributed to long term political stability, elsewhere in Europe, where civil war and invasion are well within living memory, the inclination to hold all your wealth in an asset you certainly can't take with you is less overwhelming.
The Stalinist planning system from 1947, and reinforced by Thatcher to pander to Tory NIMBYs, screwed up supply and demand (the free market) forcing up house prices. Restriction in the supply of building land was the problem, and has been since WW2; planned quotas. It never worked in the Communist block either where it was universally applied to industry. People in the UK saw that house prices rose more than stock markets and that this was rock solid, so they invested in houses as it was a banker. Nothing to do with invasions or having to build villages on top of hills like in southern France and Italy for protection. And those hill top villages look really neat and attractive and make the English countryside look as it is...bland.
Read this, this puts it all in order for you.
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AFAIK it is still where it was last time I stood on its summit. It is however rather bulky and Dribbles sneer at Snowdon could equally well apply to The Ben. No railway but for several decades there was an observatory on the summit and an early pioneer took his car up the pony track.
IMNSHO the rather lower Black Cuillin on Skye are much more mountainous in the true sense of the word. Dribble could walk up The Ben if he had the energy to spare but most of the Black Cuillin summits would be beyond him despite the fact that they are a 1000 feet or more lower than The Ben.
It was answered. You want a set figure of density of population for Hertfordshire. The figure is what Hertfordshire can sustain in a framework of market forces. Very simple. We don't have that right now.
Never a truer word....
Maybe we should concrete over Belgium (well except for Wallonie).
You are spot on Matt.
Matt, I'm all for concreting over Essex and Bradford
Yes they do. Leith Hill is a mountain, and that's near London.
Have you ever been to the top of Snowdon when it's raining horizontally? Would you really want to live there?
It isn't exactly Alpine high pasture......
.. and vice versa, it seems.
Note the comments about the "Stalinist" planning system from one who in times gone by might well have been best mates with Uncle Joe (or would like to think he might have been) (until his face didn't fit, that is)...
Sure it is yes, sure it is. Have you been on the raz with Maxie Matt?
Not me, but many would Matt.
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