For nuclear fans...

That is broadly where I got to years ago. about a 3 times uptick in electrical grid to replace all fossil fuels with leccy.

The calculation is very difficult to do reliably, because there is the matter of fossil conversion efficiency to 'desired outcome' versus electrical efficiency to do the same. i.e. you probably need half as much electricity in energy terms to move a vehicle, as diesel.

And when we are talking about energy input to such things as fertiliser manufacturing or smelting, all bets are off. I simply don't know.

(Yes, you probably could smelt iron with pure hydrogen for example)

I think it will happen slowly to as much of a degree as the technology permits.

Right now electric cars survive on subsidy, but electric trains are cheaper than diesel ones once the overhead wires are in place (or the third rail).

In between the lines of DECC's reports is the tacit assumption that we will be using a LOT of nuclear electricity in the future.

Electric cars are perfectly viable for inner city driverless taxis, operating out of a charger base, and or low mileage shopping and school run second cars in the 'burbs.

It wont happen overnight, but behind the scenes plans to beef up the grid and add nukes to it seem to be being made.

And the ruthless drive for energy efficiency goes on - we now have LED bulbs. The new processor on my PC is 5 times as fast as the old and uses half the power. House insulation is about maxed out on new builds.

I would say that fracking is not rendering massive deployment of electrical vehicles and electrical alternatives out, but merely buying us the time to do it in a measured and steady way.

Green crap is on the way out, renewable energy is too expensive and dysfunctional - TPTB don't want their London mansions to have power cuts, so that means more nukes, lots more nukes, in the next 30 years. And a much bigger grid.

Unless of course we get a massive population die back....

...I am dreaming of a fatal disease transmitted by tattoo parlours.

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In message , at 10:07:37 on Sat, 3 Oct

2015, Mike Tomlinson remarked:

But it has apparently escaped you that the only way they managed to do that was having their premium reduced. So the Treasury lost more money running DOR than either of the two previous incumbents.

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Roland Perry

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2015, tony sayer remarked:

How do nurses manage in Central London where a 4-person flat-share is a minimum of £3000 a month anywhere within half an hour's commute?

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Roland Perry

Do what the rest of us did. Shabby bedsits more than an hours commute away, and crashing on other peoples floors

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The Natural Philosopher

Girls I used to know 50 years ago lived in hostels. I was never quite sure what the arrangements were then, it was pickup/dropoff at the door. Whatever happened to them?

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Tim Streater

In message , at 12:15:17 on Mon, 5 Oct

2015, The Natural Philosopher remarked:

And nurses working in Cambridge aren't inclined to rough it?

A couple of years ago I rented my 4-bed house in Ely (5-bed if you do the usual London trick of turning the dining room into another bedroom) which isn't roughing it at all, to a pair of Hospital Doctors - one from Peterborough and one from Addenbrookes, for the princely sum of £850 a month (for the pair). Some similar houses here try to get as much as £1100, but they seem to stay empty for months.

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Roland Perry

Still around for many nurses

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The Natural Philosopher

They don't, and normally live well outside the 'half an hour's' commute.

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whisky-dave

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05:25:38 on Mon, 5 Oct 2015, whisky-dave remarked:

Why won't nurses in Cambridge accept a greater than half hour commute?

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Roland Perry

Why don;t you ask them. But I'm betting it's down to travel time and cost, a friends on a building site goes from Lon. > cambridge 2 hour trip in a car. Now if you find out what a season ticket costs from london cambridge that m ight be another reason.

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05:59:15 on Mon, 5 Oct 2015, whisky-dave remarked:

A nurse working in Cambridge would be bonkers to commute from London, but there are plenty of villages near Cambridge which have cheaper housing than the City itself.

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Roland Perry

Unlike London, little suitable public transport? Maybe an hour a day by car is financially beyond many of them, even with car sharing.

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newshound

An excellent way of getting more people into a job, you think?.

BTW, I had no problems finding and paying for a bedsit on my own when I started work in London aged 18. On under 10 quid a week take home pay. Which being the BBC was unlikely to be much more than a nurse got paid in those days.

Oh - I knew some nurses in a flat share. Very nice it was too. And walking distance from their place of work.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Sold off so they could make a nice profit for someone. Didn't you guess this?

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Dave Plowman (News)

ng site goes from Lon. > cambridge 2 hour trip in a car.

t might be another reason.

Then why don't they live in those villages. A friends cousin had a similar problem she got a job just ~15 miles from her village. So she had to buy a car and learn how to drive after leaving school, so she neded to take out a loan.

Of course there's plenty of 'shops' where you can get such a loan.

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whisky-dave

Addenbrookes is actually very well served by buses as its where a lot of people need to go...

Maybe an hour a day by

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The Natural Philosopher

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

Opportunity for an alert government to offer housing top ups instead of a national wage award? :-)

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Tim Lamb

Including at the times nurses start and finish their shifts?

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Dave Plowman (News)

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06:57:12 on Mon, 5 Oct 2015, whisky-dave remarked:

Cambridgeshire isn't completely devoid of public transport, especially to the hospital which is a significant hub.

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Roland Perry

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14:34:19 on Mon, 5 Oct 2015, newshound remarked:

So spend half an hour on a bus.

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Roland Perry

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