Guys, I've asked you this question before and I get all sorts of
In my area, the standard rate per fixture (assume track home - not
custom home) is $450 per fixture. And for a simple breakdown....
House plumbed using pex supply lines, std. "builders" (cheap)
fixtures, and foamcore pipe.
Kitchen Sink (no dishwasher)
Total Fixtures = 10 x $450 = $4500 (ie, shit money...not worth doing
Now is that so fucking difficult? These prices are what to expect for
residential construction in North Carolina (Greensboro, High Point,
What I want to know are average prices in other areas of the country.
Can you guys give me a fucking straight answer without being so
Geezus....Did you have to ask so NICELY? :>)
First of all, I don't do tract houses, and don't touch PEX, and I don't
touch foamcore. That said however, I do a few custom homes every now and
then. I am in Texas so the illegals do most of the houses and all the tract
houses. But here's a breakdown for a typical house I would do and the
minimum specifications. If I touch it the piping has to be type "M" copper
(minimum) and schedule 40 PVC wastes and vents. We only use lead stubs and
lead flashings. Period. The stainless braided flexible supplies, chrome Moen
brass and Crane chinaware:
Master WC - 1
Lavatories - 2 (4550)
Garden tub - 1 (by others)
Shower - 1 (by others)
Guest #1 WC - 1
Lavatory - 1 (4550)
Tub & shower - 1 (steel)
Powder WC - 1
Ped lavatory - 1 (4550) +$200
Kitchen sink - 1 +$400 (Americast W/Delta waterfall) <or equal>
50 Gallon gas water heater - 1
Washer - 1
Gas openings - Up to 7 @ $ 125 each = $ 875
Exterior utilities (up to 60' waste & water) = $ 800
Downdraft = + $ 200
13 Total fixtures @ $ 500 = 6,500
Adds (+'s) & extra's = $ 1,600
Gas system = $ 875
Project Total = $ 8,975
I charge extra for fiberglass tubs ($300)
I charge extra for cast iron tubs ($300)
Of course I charge extra for fixtures that exceed the price of the quoted
fixtures on a "list to list" basis. Utilities that exceed the quote are $ 12
per foot for sanitary up to 6' in depth and $6 per foot for water service.
No taps or tap fees.
I may have overlooked something in my hurried response to your so "politely"
asked question. If you have any more, ask away.
Just try not to hurt my sensitive feelings.....:>)
I'm just trying to get some bearing on how pricing changes from one
area to the next. If my question seems impolite, I apologize for that.
I've asked these goofy bastards this exact same question again and
again. and typically it turns into some way-off-the-fucking-mark
thread that never answers the original question. So I appreciate your
A fellow I know in Buffalo New York says they get $1200/fixture but
they only use "L" copper and PVC.
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:19:19 -0500, "Bob Wheatley"
They would need to for their cost of living up there. What's a 1 bedroom
apartment up there? $2000 a month?
My apprentices here run between $12-$15 per hour, and my Journeymen here run
between $21-$25 per hour. Although I do pay more than most. I know some
plumbers that are working for what I pay my helpers.
That's good money compared to pay-scale in our area. In our area, a
good apprentice will make $8.00 - $12.00 per hour. Journeymen plumbers
are typically earning $16-$18 per hour. There are a few shops that pay
a little more. But the industry standard in my area sucks.
In my area, the contractors have gotten way out of control. They work
against you the whole time. They don't pay at all or they'll drag
paying their subs out for several months. The contractors in my area
really jerk their subs all over the place. Most of them just sorta go
with the flow.
I've seen quite a few of my friends get out of the business entirely.
The profitability in the plumbing trades in my area are reaching a
point of critical mass. The trend towards per-fixture pricing is
sliding towards the range of $425 per fixture. There are a few guys
out there doing new residential construction for $385/fixture (if you
can believe that!!)
Personally, I shifted my focus on commercial work becaue it still pays
pretty well. But slowly the commercial side of the construction trades
is following that same path. I think I'm about ready to toss in the
towel too. I'm not interested in working for chump change. I can stay
home and watch TV and make the same money.
So based on supply and demand, what do you figure plumbers in the
Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama areas are going to be earning? Surely
you've seen all the Katrina damage. There is going to be a lot of
demand....but your supply of qualified plumbers is going to fall way
short of addressing the need. I've been trying to crunch numbers. The
best I can figure is that plumbers in that region, during the rebuild
phase, can expect $1500-$2000 per fixture. It may be higher than that
as material prices increase by 150% or more. But I don't have a lot of
data from which to extrapolate those numbers. Do you have any
best-guess on what is going to happen in that region? They'll have to
pay out enough to attract out-of-state plumbers to that area. I'm
going to leave that good-will effort up to you guys and keep my
fingers crossed that all of you get rich. I'm staying home and I'll
watch you guys work in the HOT and humid southern sun on CNN. Go on
Bob...go get that money!!
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:43:22 -0500, "Bob Wheatley"
My dad was a plumber. I was introduced into this business at a very early
age. I not only feel your pain....I live it.
It's the same everywhere. I remember back in the 80's that we could not get
helpers started into our business because of the imbalance between working
conditions and what we could pay and what they could get driving a truck or
For god's sake it takes less time to become a doctor than a good plumber.
It's the same here. Every dickhead you work for wants the work done
yesterday, for half price, and they'll pay you next year.:>)
That's another problem in our business. We don't share information as well
as we should and we end up cannibalizing each other. I can't name all the
idiots over the years that start their own business out of the back of a
pickup truck, low-ball numbers to get their foot in the door, and end up
going out of business a couple of years later. While that does get rid of
them, there is a never ending line of wannabe's to take their place.
We all take a test to get our plumbing license. There is no such test for us
to be businessmen.
> Personally, I shifted my focus on commercial work becaue it still pays
Yes. That's why I do very little housing.
All you can do at this point is to increase your skills beyond your
competitors so you can price accordingly.
Information sharing such as this is also something that we as plumbers
should do more often.
Insurance companies have great experience in knowing what they can get away
with. Don't expect them to pay double or triple what the value actually is.
My best guess is that there may be as high as a 35% premium available.
But that's probably going to be about it.
Not me. I'm just North of Houston and my plate is full.
Hell, I just met late today about a hospital rehab they want to convert to a
facility for the evacuees. That tragedy is exploding into my own area.
Because enameled steel is the baseline and ......
#1 steel tub = $80 +/-
Fiberglass tub = $225 +/-
#2 A steel tub can be set in about half the time of a fiberglass by the
time you knock studs out and get the fiberglass T&S level.
Besides, the tight assed contractor or homeowner who requests a fiberglass
is saving $1000-$2000 in tub surround that they won't need with a
fiberglass. Not to mention the sheer pain in the ass of hauling fiberglass
Feel the same have been building for 30 plus years
New construction priced by fixture Above good
Problem some houses easier than others
I now live in rural area moved from DC. Cost seem
to high here
On average the charge is 750 per fixture with
break down in 1/3.
250 fixture allowance
Usually ice maker and two hose ibis thrown in
every thing else is fixture. Water Heater included
in fixture cost not larger than 50 gallon
Rennai between 1700 to 2500 extra
So a quick break down of 14 fixture is material
minus fixtures 3500
I have installed whole house should be able to do
in 2 days rough 1day fixtures add extra day and
cost per hour 109 per hour
This is usually time it takes for one man
I suppose I our area for legitimate plumber that
is reasonable after govt cost business cost
probably nets 40 to 50 an hour
None of our one man plumbers are getting rich at
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