Very good advice. I hadn't thought of that. Sometimes the easiest things to
do aren't entirely obvious to me. As I've explained, I thought periodic
draining of a w/h was important. This is the first time anyone has ever said
otherwise and there are good reasons not to, apparently. Hope we can put
this thread to rest now :)
And maybe if my father had lived longer, he would have taught me to
drain the WH. But he didn't and he didn't.
The first 10 years here I had no internet, and it never occured to me to
drain ir. Year 13 or so, the wh leaked and the directions for the new
one didn't mention draining, afaicr.
On Thursday, February 6, 2014 7:38:28 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
If the drain connection is so close to the lip of the pan
that nothing else will work, that's the best option I see,
if it has to be drained. If there is enough room to get a 90 deg
hose fitting on there, those are available in the garden section.
If the need is just for routine maintenance, if it came to
cutting the pan, I think I just wouldn't drain it. Another
factor is, how old is it? If it's a 10 year old gas heater
and it hasn't been drained, it's nearing typical end of life
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:03:09 -0600, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote
There is actually a hole in the pan with a pvc fitting in it but it's turned
at an angle to the heater spout and the spout points downward so it doesn't
look like there's enough room for an angle fitting.
There's not supposed to be a connection between the "spout" and the
hole. Water falls out of the spout, starrts to fill the pan, and then
runs out of the pan.
There's supposed to be a connection between the hole and a drain or a
What do other people in the building do? What did the guy who did the
home inspection expect the owner to do? It surely wasn't what he did.
Don't ask the people right underneath you. If you do and then you don't
do what they say, they'll know you didn't do it if and when the flood
I noticed that, and it's four feet high, not the best place to put the
drain for a wh that's 4.5 feet high.
And I suppose I should mention that the instructions for washing
machines say to turn the water off when not in use. The hardware store
guy said he sold loads of replacement rubber hoses, when they burst. He
talked me in to woven stainless steel clad rubber hoses, which are much
much less likely to burst, though mine started to leak a bit at the end
when it was twitsted the wrong way.
On Friday, February 7, 2014 11:03:40 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
Live there with him I guess. Again, he did say it was a
*house* in the very first post.
What did the guy who did the
That's a good question. Probably just said "WH missing drain pan"
and the seller just put one in himself that goes no where, or
got some hack to do it. I think it's code that there needs to be
a drain to somewhere for a WH installed in a living space.
Sounds like the seller got away with the $10 DIY fix instead of the
$500 or whatever solution that was really required.
What? He has an illegal apartment down there? I guess
I missed that part.
I've always had a water develop a leak right at the drain after trying to
drain it - IMHO, there's no need to drain them unless you have really bad
My water heater is inside the house in a "utility closet". They don't
always fail catastrophically - when my water heater failed, we noticed not
as hot water as normal for an evening shower (exceptionally cold out -
figured that had something to do with it), and almost no hot water the next
morning. When I went to look at the water heater in the morning, the pan was
just starting to overflow - si it was a slow drip. I turned off the water,
used my shop vac to suck out the water in the pan, and hooked a garden hose
up to the water heater and drained it to the outside.
The original pan had a drain to the outside, but the guy that installed it
originally had a backflow preventer in the drain line - installed the wrong
way - so the pan simply overflowed !
I had the guy that replaced the water heater reorient the drip pan under the
heater and put a drain fitting in the side of the pan (without a backflow
preventer) that tied into the condensate line for the AC - that line drains
to the outside, too.
On Thursday, February 6, 2014 10:33:16 AM UTC-5, Tony Hwang wrote:
I believe what he is saying is that the pan edge
is so close to the drain connection that he can't
get a hose on it. That's why I suggested a 90deg
elbow that's available in the garden supplies might
be an option.
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 12:33:42 -0600, email@example.com wrote
That may not be possible in this particular situation but the pans are cheap
so if I have to kill it I won't be pissed. Never lived in a house that had a
drain pan under the water heater so I was kinda surprised. I thought
draining the water heater periodically was proper maintenance to remove
sediment in the bottom and it will need to replaced eventually anyway. In
reality it will have to be drained at some point, so I do not understand the
snide remark or the questions about why I want to drain it. I'm here to
Thank you for trying to be helpful :)
People, and vendors, are always trying to improve our standard of
living. Even if men don't care, women don't like it when every 20
years there is 40 or 50 gallons of water on the floor.
What do you care if there is sediment on the bottom? It only matters if
the sediment is so deep it starts to surround the lower electric heating
element. Do you even have an electric WH? Or gas?
Assume it's electric. I have that too. When I, probably mistaking
thermostat or element problems for something more serious, junked my 8yo
WH. I cut it open and there was less than 2 tablespoons of sediment.
At that rate it would have taken over 80 years for the sediment to reach
the heating element.
Water varies by location. You need to talk to your neighbors and find
out if they ever drain the WH, how often and how much sediment comes
out. Some of them don't drain it, that's for sure. How long do their
WH's last. In the 10 years I've been reading, no one in this group has
ever reported good results from draining the WH, curing an existing
problem without creating a bigger problem. What they say often
happens is sediment gets in the drain valve, the pressure and flow are
not enough to flush the sediment out, and the valve won't shut tight
anymore and is always dripping hot water and the WH has to be replaced.
When it leaks it will drain itself. Why do you need to drain it before
I flush my gas water heater once a year. I don't drain it, but leave supply
on full and open the drain valve full to a hose going out a door to an
exterior sidewalk. I see ~1/2 cup of white mineral chips spread out on the
sidewalk when I'm done. In a gas heater I assume that the chips would have
remained on the bottom of the tank and slowed heat transfer to the water
mass. When I have a faucet aerator with reduced flow, I pull it off and
find those same white chips clogging the screen. My municipal system gets
the tail end of the Colorado river before we send it into Mexico, so the
dissolved solids can be very high at the end of the summer.
Very good points. I do not intend to waste time doing anything I don't need
to that may make things worse. I lived in another house near where I live
now (same water supply). Sediment was pretty bad in that home's w/h but I do
not know how long the w/h was sitting before I drained it. IIRC there was
about 2 cups of crap in it. Luckily the valve didn't leak when I was done.
Could have replaced it if it did I suppose.
I see your point. But if it starts leaking just a little bit I won't have
the time to power it off, shut off the supply and babysit it until it drains
out by itself without a hose. Now if it suddenly starts leaking a quart a
minute and I am away then I will have bigger problems (I'm exaggerating of
I just wanted to see if there was a way to get a hose on it without tearing
up the pan or causing other problems. I won't drain it just for the sake of
doing it if it's really not needed.
On Friday, February 7, 2014 5:11:07 PM UTC-5, James wrote:
One thing I would do. Given that the WH is in a closet, I
would get two of those $10 battery water alarms that they
have at HD, etc. Put one in the WH pan and the other
one by the washing machine that's also there. They have
contacts on the bottom and the alarm goes off from water.
Since the pan is metal, you'll have to put a piece of
plastic or similar on the bottom for it to sit on.
BTW, another thought came to mind. We talked about the pan
having a drain connection. Is that at least closed off?
I don't remember from the pic. If not, I would tend to that
too. With it closed off, at least the pan will hold 2" of
water or so. It should have a pvc fitting that you can
cap off or whatever.
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