Lots of very interesting stuff about the building of the new One World Trade
Center building. With the tower, the building comes to 1776 feet tall.
It's a remarkable story about how huge projects come together and all the
issues they had to face building super-tall skyscrapers.
The elevators rise at 1800 fpm, making a trip to the top possible in under a
minute. The shape of the building was designed to "spoil" wind vortices.
One thing that surprised me was the copious use of bolts instead of rivets.
Absolutely remarkable video showing how they assembled the spire. If you
didn't get to see it tonight, look for it in reruns. Anyone interested in
how things are built will enjoy it.
what a crock...the only reason it gets that height is that the 408 foot
"spire" is included even though it is not an architectural element. it's
a pure case of politics
After the changes in the design of One World Trade Center's spire were
revealed in May 2012, questions were raised as to whether the 408-foot
(124m) structure would still qualify as a spire and thus be included in
the building's official architectural height. As the building's
spire is not enclosed in a radome as originally planned, it may instead
be classified as a simple antenna which, according to the CTBUH, is not
included in a building's official height. Without the inclusion of
the antenna mast, One World Trade Center's official height would be its
roof height of 1,368 feet (417m), making it the third-tallest building
in the United States, behind the Willis Tower and Trump International
Hotel & Tower, both located in Chicago. Additionally, while the
building is the tallest in New York City now either way, without the
antenna it would be surpassed in 2015 by the under-construction 432 Park
Avenue, which is expected to rise to a height of 1,398 feet
(426m). One World Trade Center's developers have disputed the
claim that the spire should be reclassified as an antenna following the
redesign, with Port Authority spokesman Steve Coleman reiterating
that "One World Trade Center will be the tallest building in the Western
Hemisphere." The CTBUH announced in 2012 that it would wait to make
its final decision as to whether or not the redesigned spire would count
towards the building's official height. On November 12, 2013 the
CTBUH announced that the spire on One World Trade Center will count as
part of the buildings official height which gives the building a final
height of 1,776ft and makes it the tallest building in the Western
building where the > windows cannot be opened. I don't care how good the
HVAC system is in there!
I hear ya. Sealed windows definitely impact any potential exit strategies.
IIRC, the aerodynamics of such tall buildings pretty much prohibit open
windows. I'll bet there are lots of other reasons, too.
Somehow, looking at the pictures, it seems I.M. Pei was right. Someday many
of our tallest buildings will be converted into our longest ones. It just
seems so intrinsically vertically unstable. But I guess a lot of ancient
columns have survived so there's hope.
The real question is what would you do with an open window at 1,200 feet? I
guess you could stow a paraglider or a repelling kit. Plenty of people
"base jump" off tall structures and survive. Getting the window open or
broken out in these new hi-rises, at least from what I saw last night, won't
be an easy task. I'd at least keep a very long-handled sledge hammer
The penthouse goes for $95M - wow!
I worked in a very, very tall building once in NYC and I gotta say - they
move a LOT. Some more than others depending on harmonics but on a good,
windy day, you can feel the whole damn structure swaying. It's probably not
where you want to be if a record earthquake hits NYC. I like being close to
the front door which is close to the ground and being able to open a window
and jump out without worrying *too* much about splattering when I hit. (-:
I used to wonder why the local FD was on the 3rd floor of the City
County Bldg while the cops and mayor and other honchoes were up around
8 or 9. Turns out the way the building was situated even the city's
tallest ladder would only go to the 3rd floor. Coincidence? I think
not. So, when possible I always head down to the nearest fire station
and try to get no higher than where the closest ladder truck reaches.
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.
Hmm. Does sound suspicious. The options for people above ladder rescue
reach are not very good.
It's clear that folks living in that ultra-high rise have traded off easy
escape for a terrific view. The one thing that the WTC collapse brought
home very clearly is that if there's a major event like a plane impacting
the side of the building, people above that floor are likely to be in a
world of hurt. IIRC, the new WTC should survive the kind of impact that
doomed the two WTC towers but I have my doubts. Still, a lot of lessons
*were* learned from 9/11 and the replacement building is demonstrably safer
in many ways.
This one will be a LOT harder to knock down because it's so much stronger
and the security is so much better. Who cares what those damn terrorists
like or don't like or what they consider a "target" for their evil?
Did you see how they were parading about a military service dog they had
captured, saying it had the rank of Colonel? Savages.
I have retired neighbor who used to be a paramedic for a local FD. He used
to drive the "fly car", often being the first one on site when medical
assistance was called for. Years ago he told that he never stays above the
5th floor of a hotel because that's the highest a FD ladder will reach. I
should ask him if he stills follows that rule.
I've heard more than one firefighter say something like that.
It's funny that in NYC where my grandparents had to spend what for them was
an enormous amount of money adding a fire escape to their three story house,
there's very little real concern about how people can escape from these
uber-tall buildings. Apartment buildings have external fire escapes,
airplanes have those inflatable slides, big ships have lifeboats and yet in
disasters like the WTC collapse, occupants end up jumping out of windows to
certain death. What's wrong with this picture?
I think that's wise, to stay closer to the ground. It's
been years since I've been in a hotel or motel. I always
bring my own smoke detector, and hang it on the inside
of the door. I'm not much for night life, so I eat in
the room. Have my clothes right in my suit case in case
I need to exit rapidly. In case of fire, bring wet
towels to breathe through, car keys, flash light. That
kind of stuff.
Just last week I heard an interesting statistic from a gentleman well
versed in Real Estate investments (REITs).
He said that the owners of the Empire State Building (Empire State Realty
Trust) are putting a lot of money into modernizing the interior of the
building. He said that right now it's hard for them to command high rents
because the building's amenities are so outdated.
The interesting statistic was that the building currently generates about
85% (eighty five!) of its total revenue from tourists visiting the
observation decks. That's 2.7 million square feet of commercial space vs.
the two observation decks on the 86th and 102nd floors. The O-decks win 85
I'd like to see what the projected revenue numbers for the rental space
will be once the modernization is complete.
Jeez. Who would have thunk it? Reminds me of how Egypt has fared after its
"revolution." Tourism revenue plummeted and only then did they realize what
the interruption cost them. You'd think if they hated the West that much,
the best revenge would be to rip off all the Western tourists with $5
glasses of lemonade, possibly made with Aswan Dam snail infested water
that's chock full of parasites like the schistosomiasis worm: <black humor
I wonder if the revenue will be affected by the new One WTC building? It's
got a pretty remarkable view of NYC and the surrounding areas. It's also
clearly got a historical sense to it that the ESB lacks in comparison. It
would be worth visiting One WTC just to ride in those super-high speed
elevator cars. At over 1000 feet per minute, going down's got to induce
some serious weightless feelings.
He didn't mention anything about actual profits, but this 2011 NY Times
Stolen without permission from:
"The decks attract four million visitors a year and generated $60 million
in profits in 2010, while the owners made little if any money on the office
So, at least back in 2010 it looks like they profited from the O-Decks and
about broke even on the rest of the building.
I'll need to check my tax returns but I'm pretty sure I didn't make $60
million in 2010.
One of my very first front page photos in the very defunct Washington Star
was of a residential apartment tower that was coming apart in a very high
wind. The building was not well-designed, aerodynamically - it was actually
two L shaped buildings sited next to each other with a small gap between
them like this |_ _| - the wind was entering the wide open space in the back
and was funneled (and concentrated) by the design. The wind began tearing
out the windows on both sides of the gap on the ninth floor on down.
First the window panels dislodged, then the curtains came flying out, then
the blinds and after that, stuff from the inside of the affected apartments.
I managed to get a picture of a huge window section and of the Venetian
blinds suspended in mid-air. I only realized later one of those big panes
of glass could have killed me (or anyone else on the ground) quite easily if
it took a bad hop.
You could see during the Skyscraper program how windy it gets up at 1,500
feet. They had to redesign the spire (to remove the cladding) because wind
tunnel tests showed it was likely to shear away in very high winds. They
wanted to clad it to make sure the spire counted as part of the building,
thus clinching the title of the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere.
The "tall building" commission gave the title to them anyway.
Those devices probably *weren't* in the building I worked in. It was really
unsettling. The only time I experience worse swaying was when my Mom drove
us across the newly opened Verazzano Bridge in a severe winter blizzard in a
relatively tiny Olds F-85. God bless her, she kept her composure as big
tractor-trailers were just sliding from lane to lane without warning. It
took over an hour to cross the bridge because traffic was moving so slowly.
It was only decades later that she confessed that she had never been more
scared in her life. She was certain the car was going to get swept off the
bridge. FWIW, that bridge really, really dances around in very high winds.
Not quite as bad as the Tacoma Narrows bridge (the one made famous by the
film of it shaking apart in high winds) but I developed a life long fear of
bridges after that incident.
The Verazzano Narrows bridge was the first place I drove a car over 100
I had about 6 months between high school and USCG boot camp. My best
friend's older brothers owned a bagel shop in Queens and they hired me to
deliver fresh bagels to stores in Queens, Brooklyn and Staten Island. It
didn't take me too many early morning trips across the bridge to notice
that the police in Brooklyn stayed in Brooklyn and the police on Staten
Island stayed on the island.
2 miles of open highway, no cops, and rarely a lot of traffic at 5
AM...what's a teenager to do? 110 MPH in a Chevy station wagon loaded to
the roof with a couple of hundred dozen bagels, that's what!
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