Snowblower: Putting Away For The Season ?

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On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 8:37:57 AM UTC-4, Bob wrote:

I assume you mean one of the gas stabilizer products. If you don't run it, it's not going to feed into the carb, where it's needed the most. So, yes, you need to run it for a few minutes. But I would drain/run it dry, that's what I do with mine. Near the end of the season I try to keep gas at a minimum, so I can just run it dry.

My first choice would be to store it with the tank empty. Second choice would be what you just suggested, put in the stabilizer, run it for 10 mins to get the product into the carb, then shut off the fuel and let it run the carb dry. If you're going to leave gas in the tank, I'd have the tank full or nearly full as opposed to mostly empty.
And change the oil, lubricate all the usual points that the manual says to keep lubricated.

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On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 9:12:58 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:

I would bet that since the tank cap is vented, that all the gas would not be drawn from the carb bowl, by shutting the valve. The carb can't draw against a vacuum...
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 07:23:13 -0700 (PDT), bob_villain

The float bowl is vented, so you would most definitely lose your bet. It will draw all but about half a teaspoonfull of gas out of the carb on most units. Some will draw it all out - depends on the location of the main jet.
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On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 11:55:10 AM UTC-5, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

..."most definitely" could be "more likely" lose the bet. Just my contention...
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:07:31 -0700 (PDT), bob_villain

No, in this case unless you have a very rare "regulator" carb with diaphragms instead of a float you WILL lose the bet. Guaranteed. The presense or lack of a vent on the fuel tank has no bearing on the results in this case.
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On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 9:09:37 PM UTC-5, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

...and your expertise is computers?
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 19:19:38 -0700 (PDT), bob_villain

One of my expertises. I spent the first 25 years of my working life as a mechanic working on small engines, ag equipment, cars and industrial equipment as well as teaching auto mechanics at the trade level - so yes, I know what I'm talking about. I left the auto mechanics trade for computers due to physical challenges.and have now been about 26 years in the computer hardware business.
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snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca Tue, 12 Apr 2016 03:11:21 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

What exactly do you mean by computer hardware business?
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Computer sales/service and repair - as compared to computer software /progreamming business. I have 2 major contracts that keep me busy about 30 hours a week, plus some smaller jobs
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snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca

I understand the comparison. I'm a certified PC technician myself. It's why I asked what you meant by the initial statement. On paper, for official 'legal reasons' in this area, I'm not allowed to count my experience level prior to the age of eighteen. So, I just tell people who don't know me that I've been in the business of IT (computer support/service/networking, etc. custom built clones if the client wants it; technical support of whatever 3rd party product they bought if they don't) for just over twenty years or so now. Despite the fact I actually have copyrights to software that's a bit older than twenty years. Software was far easier to get into when I was a kid, costs were relative to nothing compared to hardware. :)
It's not something I fell into due to an inability of working in my previous field, either. It's something that I learned how to do as a kid and I kept with it. Some kids mowed yards for extra money during those days, I went and fixed POS (point of sale. lol) machines at the local retail outlets. My first actual contract work was when I was fourteen. I wrote (from scratch) a new POS package (and provided supporting hardware to boot) for a local Ace hardware store franchise.
When you mentioned a computer support/technical background, I thought we might have something in common; which is why I asked you about it.
I am curious though.. what sort of work do you do that's under contract that requires so much of your time and never seems to have an end in sight? Are you babysitting servers or something?
Thanks for answering!
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You sound like my nephew.

I do a bit of server babysitting, but less than I used to.We have a " network specialist" looking after that now so when a server goes down or files aree lost it's not my responsibility any more..I don't have to agree with how that's done any more - iwhen (not if) it breaks now it's their problem. I also look after about 40 PCs and 40 some printers and the phone system - , moving workstations,- I'm basically yhe "help desk" and all kinds of other miscalaneous tech maintenance. - that's the 5 morning gig.. Have 5 new PCs to set up and put in place in the next week or so. Install all the sofrware, transfer files and settings etc. I also do some internet stuff for them - somewhere around 100 domains (I don't do the website design stuff any more either -handed that off to a younger guy - but I still end up doing the trouble-shooting when something doesn't work.) The 2 afternoon gig is similar, with about 30 PCs on the plant floor, plus the office and shipping/recieving. Will be replacing 25 plant machines as soon as the software guys are ready to move to Win7 from XP. Works out to between 5 and 8 hours a week on that one right now. Getting ready to slow down a bit and move towards retirement slowly. "I'll fix anything but the crack of dawn or a broken heart"
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snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca Sun, 05 Jun 2016 04:10:33 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

:)
Thanks for the detailed and friendly reply to my query.
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On 6/3/16 6:14 PM, Diesel wrote:

Nice troll-- I hope ;-)
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Uhh, No.
I freely admit to being an outsider for the purposes of this newsgroup, but, i'm far from an outsider in the IT world.
I have a bit of a dark past, but, I've been around awhile. I served (lol, humour) two years with Malwarebytes as an expert Malware Researcher. Prior to being recruited by them to work for them (I didn't reach out to them about any job; I didn't even know they were hiring) I was developing and actively supporting my own tiny antimalware scanner known as BugHunter. (five out of five doves award from completelyfreesoftware.com)
http://www.completelyfreesoftware.com/reviews/du_w31_BUGHUN.html
Prior to that, I released some shareware/freeware legit apps and some not so legit stuff from hpavc scenes; that I originally grew up in. Back when the BBS scene was alive and well. The BBS documentaries DVD actually discussed three boards up north that I was more than a regular user of. Read: Co-SysOp
I've built and supported my own gear since I was a teenager and my comptia certificate is so old, I'm grandfathered in. I couldn't tell you without looking if the certs I have from HP and xerox are still grandfathered or simply expired now. A former employer thought those certs would look great for company advertising, etc. I personally didn't see the point, but, I wasn't the big chief in charge either.
Despite the fact I consider IT to be an ongoing life long thing. Always an opportunity to learn something new. Be it new hardware or something spectacular visible from an IDA pro window (a kickass commercial/limited freeware functionality) diassembler.
I've been dealing with computers in one way shape or form for over thirty years now. As I can't claim first hand knowledge of them prior to the age of eighteen years old on advertising materials (for the purposes of experience), I state from eighteen years old onwards. Placing me at the twenty year mark, officially. Although, as I said, my hands on experience from the software and hardware side is a bit older than that.
I don't know the regulars of this newsgroup yet. It's not a place I frequent so much. So when they mentioned computer hardware business, I was naturally curious to know more. I'm not trying to troll anyone. The statement was so vague, Several different things could cover it and they'd all be right. Examples: a former radio shack franchisee owner, geek squad associate, etc.
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On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 9:09:37 PM UTC-5, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

I asked a friend who worked for Mercury Marine as and engineer and manufacturing manager. He said you were correct...excuse my ignorance.
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:35:28 -0700 (PDT), bob_villain

forgiven.
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On 4/11/2016 8:37 AM, Bob wrote:

If it's still under warranty, I'd follow the instructions in the manual(s) that came with the unit. If you can't find the booklets, you can probably do so online. That way, if anything goes wrong next season, you have a stronger case for a warranty claim. Actually, even if it's out of warranty, I'd follow the manufacturer's instructions. (Sometimes they are located in a separate manual for the engine.) I suspect not all engines require the same procedure and in some cases, piston rings or valves might be damaged by doing something with your engine that is beneficial for another company's engine.
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No 4 stroke engine will be damaged by running it dry. Doesn't matter what manufacturer. No 4 stroke engine will be damaged by putting a bit of oil in the plug hole and cranking it over. The oil will help protect the cyl walls ans rings from rusting. Neither of these practices will have any detrimental effects on the engine, and both are recommended for "long term storage".
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"best " way is to store with the carb empty and the tank either empty or right full. With plastic tanks, empty is best. With steel tanks empty can result in rusted tank - full means no air so no condensation - but use ethanol free fuel only - stabilant optional.
Pulling the rope through will not get treated fuel to the carb. Shut off the fuel shutoff valve and run 'till the carb is empty and the engine quits.
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