On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:34:50 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
In case it's not obvious, Because the wheel moving on the hub had let
the wheel hit the studs and damage the threads on at least two studs.
The same reason at least two of the bolt holes in the wheel were
Close to letting my wheel fall off. Also I think there are a lot more
threads per inch on the those little studs than on what a knockoff
uses. At least for a race car, they just start it on, then hit it
and it spins two or three revolutions and it's tight, right?
No, 1972 or 3, and yeah, it was amazingly cheap. Even more so when you
hear all he did. I thought I was going to have to pay 50, 100, 150 or
more, trying to remember prices then, but he only charged 7 dollars
I wanted to go back to Chicago for a visit so I put a notice up at
NYU, it probably was, looking for riders. I got two, a girl and a
guy who used to work in a political job for Mayor Daley (which was a
bad thing). We're on Interstate 80, a new road then, that goes
east-west across northern, entirely rural, and partly wilderness Pa.
and we're almost to Ohio. She's driving and she tells me that when she
goes even to the left or right a bit, it's quiet, but when she points
straight ahead, there's a noise. I drive for a bit and she is right!
I pull over and for the wheel I had fiddled with 2 days earlier, the
hub is too hot to touch. I just held my hand near it and I could feel
the warmth. But, aha, there is a ramp only 200 yards ahead of me and
a gas station at the top of the ramp. So I go there. But he tells me,
I can't do it. You'll have to go to the dealer. Well the dealer is
only 3 miles north in a tiny town. Looking at the map, I see it is
Mercer, Pa, just as I recalled from 37 years ago!
I drive in, tell the guy the problem, and the first thing he does is
look at the clock. It's 10 to 5, closing time. Immediately I think
he's going to tell me to come back tomorrow, which means I'll have to
pay for a motel for all 3 of us, probably one room for me and the guy
and another room for the girl, plus I'll have to buy them dinner. If
it were just me, I could have slept in a corn field. The whole reason
I got riders was to save money.
But he doesn't say anything and he starts in on it. After taking off
the tire and the hub/brakedrum iirc, he tells me that the inner race
of the bearing is fused to the spindle (it was so hot). For those who
don't know, the spindle is like the axle, but just the outer 6 inches
of it, and it turns left and right because it's a front wheel. He
doesn't think he can get the bearing off without ruining the spindle,
and he doesn't stock the spindle. Darn, I think, the junk yards are
closing in 5 minutes, I'll have to come back tomorrow after all.
I'll get my boss, he says. The boss comes and lights the acetylene
torch, and goes at it. In less than a minute, iirc, he turns off the
torch and says, "You were lucky. I got it off without ruining the
spindle. I have a bearing in stock and I think you ruined the brake
drum too. Oh, I say, I have my original brake drum in the trunk."
I"m vague here, because I thought he didn't provide any parts, but if
he cut off the original inner race, he must have replaced the bearing.
And he must have pushed out the orificial outer race from the brake
drum, because he's not going to do what I did, use halves of two
different bearings (either both used or one used and one new, either
way they don't match). So he sold me a new wheel bearing. Maybe that
is what made it cost 7.60. I don't remember watching him push the
bearing out or in, but any how, he had me ready to leave by about
5:15, 25 minutes total, and the bill was 7.60. I gave them 10 dollars
and said the rest was for the coffee they made for themselves. I
wanted to yell about how cheap they were. Maybe because it wasn't NYC
or Chicago. But I didn't want to make them feel they weren't charging
One of them may have left already but I apologize to whoever is there
for keeping them after 5:00 and he says, "It doesnt' matter. I live 5
minutes from here anyhow." And no rush hour traffic in NW Pa.
Later it occurred to me, or maybe he told me, that if I had driven
much farther and it had gotten much hotter, the bearing might have
melted, and then cooled when I parked, and fused into one piece, and I
couldn't even have driven the car. That would have meant a tow
truck, maybe many miles, and more parts and much more money yet.
And yet here I am last year, 36 years later, letting a moderate
medical problem lead to emergency, probably life-at-risk surgery.
It's like I haven't learned a thing.
I must have been misled, because the whole thing only took 45 minutes
and I spent 10 dollars.
Hey thank you so much. Yes, there is a cover on the face of the wheel.
I called the dealer and was told this info. He said I don't need a key
because any car repair place, including Les Schwab knows how to get the
lug nut off.
This is a Lincoln MKS. I had a Mark VIII once, and it had a key to it.
What you COULD do is get rid of the expensive wheels/rims/etc. and replace
them with standard wheels and the eight-inch hub caps like you see on a
I've never heard of tires/rims being stolen from a police cruiser.
Oh yes, they do. (What do you suppose keeps the wheels from falling off?)
Not unless the wheels are extremely valuable, and you don't have insurance on
Tip: on most cars, the difference in monthly cost between comprehensive
insurance with a $0 deductible, and comp/$500 is so small as to make it
absolutely insane to get comp with any deductible at all. Either get it with
no deductible, or don't get it.
In your case, get it. That's what buys replacement wheels for you if these are
IOW, don't lose sleep over it.
Any place where you can buy a locking lug nut, I can buy a key to unlock it.
We have 4 cars in the family(one for each of us).
When we get new car we have them installed. Lug nut is easy to
remove with a tool(socket) made for that. Just making it little
inconvenient for would be thief.
Not the normal wrench. Lug nut has key for that particular set.
Mechanics use a tool(wrench) to remove it say when the key is lost.
When you have a set installed it comes with a key for the set and it has
a number. When key is lost you can order a replacement key using that
no. But most often people don't safe keep the number. It happened to my
son's car. He misplaced the key and being unable to find it, I went to
tool shop and found a counter threaded socket which will bite into lug
not. I use air tool with compressor in my garage. Nothing to it removing
it. Lincoln? the dealer has to charge a set of it? I always make them
give me a free set. BTW, been a long time since we ever bought domestic
car. I still like Ford trucks tho.
Exactly. And if someone really wants the wheel/s easy enough to chop-
off the locking nut; usually installed, if at all, one on each wheel.
And a 'professional wheel thief' will probably have the appropriate
unlocking tool anyway! Some places in the world they just take the
whole car; take the wheels and anything else and then dump it!
Don't really see the point of these alloy wheels. Lighter maybe?
But expensive and harder to fix or replace if damaged! So for winter
we acquire an extra set of four steel ones and equip them with steel
studded (legal here until May 1st) snow tyres.
Oddly enough the only time I ever had wheels stolen it was plain old
steel wheels off an old ex-Hertz/Avis 76 Chev. I had bought to tow a
trailer! Also, ironically I was in court as a witness giving evidence
against a contractor concerning the installation of water in our
community at the time and could almost see the car in a parking space
from the courtroom window!
Time to go shopping for winter tyres shortly. First snow storm often
in November. Certainly by Dec15th. Although the weather during the
last 50 years or so has been more variable and uncertain; seems to be
changing! Despite slight increase in cost of hydro generated
electricity, heating costs during recent winters, have, if anything
have been lower! But it mainly a function of how windy it gets here,
near the North Atlantic.
If worried about wheels being stolen get some plain old steel ones;
even new often available for $50 or less. apiece. And if used (watch
out though for those that came off a crashed vehicle) sometimes get a
couple at time for $20 each. So for around $100 one saves the cost
and potential damage to fancy rims by twice a year mounting and
dismounting, balancing and installing two or four winter tyres. And
cost of same.
Also if one has the four snow tyre wheels stored in garage or shed it
takes less than an hour to change them over oneself in the driveway
etc. and put the unused ones back into the shed. Although must admit
now am in mid/late 70s I have once or twice taken them to a service
station. It also gives one a chance to inspect and clean up the set of
wheels that are off the vehicle.
As they say cut the cloth to fit the situation. My father once knew a
very affluent/influential, person (Lord ....Sir Somebody Hunt?) IIRC,
who used to take an older smaller car and wear an old raincoat to his
business meetings; rather than take his family's Roll Royce. He said
it attracted less attention away from the business at hand, and
nothing was ever stolen form the smaller/cheaper car. Maybe there's a
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