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More like twice that.
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You are better off buying a FLEX FUEL VEHICLE...
If crude is ever cut off by say a mid east war the ability to use all fuels would be good....
currently coal and natural gas can be converted to gasoline..... we really need a mid east war to finally get us energy indenpendence
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Do I remember correctly that the Oh Bomb Us administration has shut down a lot of drilling, mining, wells, etc? That said, what we need for energy independance is less socialist command economy government dictating, and prohibiting of energy production.
I've also heard that Nebraska is an example of free market and private capitalism in action.
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On 9/3/2013 1:11 AM, bob haller wrote:

the ability to use all fuels would be good....

to gasoline..... we really need a mid east war to finally get us energy indenpendence

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On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 02:46:04 -0400, Stormin Mormon

More ND and SD. They're booming, despite the Obama depression.
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On 9/3/13 12:43 PM, snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz wrote:

We've heard the same here in Nebraska. Supposedly, Walmart had to send some of their people from here to the Dakotas in shifts. They can't keep help up there. Construction crews here are also supposedly having hard time keeping help. The money in the Dakotas is too good. Unemployment in rural Nebraska runs 5% or less much of the time anyhow.
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Per snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz:

Can somebody explain that one?
I like to think that I hold both parties in equal contempt, but as far as I know the current mess brewed on the Repub's watch - during which they had control of the presidency for eight years and congress for six years.
Is there a difference of fact here?
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On 9/4/2013 10:20 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

Historically, Republicans claim to be fiscal tightwads, but in fact they blow up the US budget, usually on defense spending. That forces the citizens to vote in Democrats who are then harangued by the supposed fiscal conservatives that supported the free spending to rein it in. The Democrats eventually do this - usually by hacking away at domestic spending - and the the Republicans get voted back into office, get some military action going again, and once again drive up the deficit.
You think I'm making that up? Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama. Who had the record setting deficits? The Republican administrations. Who brought spending under control? The Democrats. Who always get blamed for the deficit? The Democrats.
By the way, the Democrats have annually introduced a bill to raise taxes to pay for the Mideast wars the Republicans insisted on having and not paying for. The bill never makes it out of session because the Republicans never believe in responsible spending and taxation.
Next time all you patriot boys want another war, tell your congresspeople you want your taxes raised to pay for it, too. Your grandchildren will appreciate not being stuck with your bills.
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This is pretty much BS. Looking at the year over year increases in spending, they are remarkably stable no matter who is in office or control of the government. There was a 3-4 year time when the GOP first took over, where the year over year increase averaging a full percentage point less than the previous 5 years, but then the GOP found out how much fun it was to spend other people's money and they returned to roughly the growth the Dems had averaged during their range. This has always been the major variable since they, unlike taxes which are very much dependent on the comings and goings of the general economy, are largely controlled by Congress.

Reagan came in and finally broke the stagflation, that was a legacy from LBJ, Nixon, and Carter (bipartisan screw ups). Clinton was the recipient of a one time overheated economy related to Greenspan's easy money and Bill Gates (as proxy for the stunning increases in productivity brought about by computers). The surplus was gone before Bush II's first budget. Bush II I'll have to give you, although I would like to point out that around 30% of every so called Iraq war payment bill was for domestic earmarks not remotely related to the war (except as a way to buy off Congresscritters from both parties. Obama's deficit has risen much faster than even Bush II's and probably would have been even more if not Congressional inability to get a budget through resulting in continuing resolutions that kept spending lower and the sequester.

Yet they haven't gotten it out of the Senate which they control. THis is their reply to the idiocy that is the GOP's constant voting to defund healthcare reform. Just something to feed the more hungry for blood constituents.

From the actions of both parties.
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You are 100% correct and this is not a new phenomena. I recall seeing this same analysis back in the 70's/80's.
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Actually the 60s. Viet Nam under LBJ was where the term guns AND butter was coined.
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I'm also ignorant. Would you please check the dates of the tax and give away known as stimulus. Also the dates of the money supply inflation known as quantitative easing. I think the first couple were under GWB, and most of the inflation was (is) under B. Hussein Obama.
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Per Stormin Mormon:

OK, but what about the question: did the recent financial meltdown occur on Obama's or Bush's watch.
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Both.
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Please don't confuse liberals with facts.
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On 9/4/2013 1:02 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

> recent financial meltdown occur

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Per Stormin Mormon:

It you are calling me a "liberal" you must stand corrected.
Fiscally, I'm a conservative bordering on reactionary and have been all my life.
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Yep. The thing that most people point to as the thing that made it all possible, repeal of Glass Stegall Act, took place in the last days of the Clinton Administration and, at least as importantly from my viewpoint, by very large bipartisan majorities (the no votes in the House were less than 20 and it passed the Senate by voice vote). The large majorities were also seen in other Congressional Acts that others point to as contributory. It is hard for the Dems to put all of the problems on the GOP since they so enthusiastically went along with it.
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Per Kurt Ullman:

But it *did* happen under the Republicans, right?
I'm not disagreeing with what you said - only trying to get some substantiation for the "Obama depression" allegation.
As you correctly point out, both parties are in this up to their necks.... but "Obama depression", aside from being incorrect on it's face, seems to me to reflect the thinking that one party is "good" and the other is "bad"....
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True. ... they are both bad, beyond bad. The best thing that could happen for the health of the US would be if every single congressperson and cabinet secretary and the president was to dry up and blow away and be replaced in an election held over a one month period from the blowing away part. No 4 year campaigns.
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You must be a lefty if...

You're lying again.

You might be a lefty if...
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On 9/3/2013 1:46 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Nope. But being corrected will never stop you from gleefully repeating falsehoods, so keep it up. It's what all the best so-called Christians do, isn't it?
The truth is, the US is producing more oil than it has since the 1970s. We're producing so much, our supply exceeds our demand, so we're exporting a great deal of it. Notice the effect all the plentiful oil has had on gas prices? That's right - not much at all. Worldwide demand helps keep the prices up, and when it drops below what the oil producers/refineries want, they cut back on production in order to push the price back up. Ever notice that the refineries always seem to time their offline maintenance during times of peak demand, or when the seasonal changeover already impacts supplies? Do you think they're stupid by scheduling that work when it will have maximum impact on supply? No, they're not dumb, they're clever. They're playing the market.

Hello, dumbass right-wing parrot. Please provide at least three specific examples of "socialism" that the government is "dictating". And what additional energy production, pray tell, do we need when we are already producing more than we consume?
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