OT. 12 year old aces Mensa test.

[Muggles]

Part of it could be related to their personality type, I think, and the rest related to how they process information - they make a decision.

[Stormin Mormon]

I want to get pregnant. I want to be the Czar of Russia. I want to win the womens figure skating Olympic event.

Anything? Really? Not by me, anyway.

[Muggles]

They both chose to be law abiding citizens with jobs vs. choosing to be criminals.

If someone makes up their mind to do something, then they usually spend the time involved that it takes to learn how to do it. Even short people play NBA basketball, but many people take the easy road that doesn't require as much effort.

I think we all have our own limitations as far as natural talent goes, but we still have choices what we'll do or what we'll settle for, even, don't you think?

Sometimes, that's the truth, other times opportunities just may not be the same for both people. It's still the choices we make that define who we end up becoming.

Agreed.

[Ashton Crusher]

I can't be sure. I don't think they are though and my experience suggests they are not. What do you think?

[Ashton Crusher]

True but I don't think this was about how 1 out of 3 kids goes bad but how virtually ALL the kids of certain parts of town turning out to be criminals... where you are lucky if 1 out of 3 kids ISN'T in jail by the time they are 18. Go to a drug users home (I've rented to some unknowingly) and you find that the YOUNG children are just children (unless the parents are out and out abusers of both drugs and the children) but the older ones start to get hardened in a way "normally" raised kids do not. By the time they are 12 they are probably ruined for life from the environment the parents have created around them.

There was a youtube video making the news of some little kid, maybe 2 to 3 who told his mom to "f*ck off" or something like that. What environment do you raise a little kid in where they learn that is a "normal" response to being asked to pick up your shoes. Were you raised that way? I doubt it. Would you raise your kids that way? I doubt that too.

[Ashton Crusher]

Heck, even "why can't you be more like little Tommy next door". I never knew I was a "good kid" in some neighbors eyes until one day the kid next door came over and complained how his mother told him "Why can't you be more like Jimmy". The kid WAS kind of an asshole.

[Ashton Crusher]

There's still time....

[Ed Pawlowski]

I've seen a few 140+ IQ doing menial work too. They can't always handle the stress of real jobs with responsibility.

[Stormin Mormon]

I AM OUTRAGED!!!!! SIMPLY OUTRAGED!!!! WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO WITH MY ICE CREAM AND PICKLES YOU WORTHLESS LOUT!

Da, comrade, can do any zing. Now, off to gulag with you useless proletariat scum.

And, did you see me coming off that triple axle? I thought I was going to twist an ankle off, but my calcium and estrogen pills were working that day, sweets. Now get me a water, dear.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Ed Pawlowski:

I worked with one for 10+ years. Not "menial" work - computer application development and User Support... but with the brains he had I would have thought the sky was the limit.... but there were personality issues: deep-down a truly good person, but abrasive on the surface.

[Thomas]

I'm in the 140 crowd. My sister is in the 120's. She has her PHD in math and I'm working menial in a pharmacy.

Looking back it was all about choices. She was class Valedictorian and I would rather play with friends than do homework.

[Ashton Crusher]

Perrier or Evian?

[Stormin Mormon]

NEITHER! DON'T YOU KNOW ANYTHING!!!!!!

[Ashton Crusher]

I forgot, all your water's been turned into wine.