New EPA demands for homes built before 1978!

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:22:22 -0400, willshak wrote:

Blame your criminals that were put in charge of the various government agencies by the unqualified and illegal president.
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:08:58 -0500, Michael Dobony

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Another example of right wing hysteria.
The law applies to "renovations performed for compensation." In other words, contractors.
The annual fee for getting certifed is a measly $300.
The law requires that contractors provide homeowners with a brochure from the EPA about the risks of leak. Then they must mask off the area where they're working and clean up after themselves. That's pretty much it.
So stop listening to radio talks shows that blow this out of proportion. It's a fairly simple law that protects children and requires minimal extra work by contractors. Basically makes them clean up after themselves when digging into lead painted areas.
If anybody on the board cares about getting the facts instead of these hysterical rants, all they have to do is go to EPA.gov. It's all there.
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:50:15 -0500, Michael Dobony

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:59:11 -0500, RickMeister wrote:

Yeah, that was the way I'd heard it, too.
Wonder if there's an exemption for working on 'new work' done on a property dating from before 1978? e.g. if someone puts up a new wall* in a 1960's house and a contractor later comes in to work solely on that wall, do they still have to follow the lead rules - even when they know the area they're working on post-dates the 1978 cut-off?
* or, taking that a step further, something like an add-on room or an adjoined garage.

Funny how much lead plumbing there used to be around, and we're all still here :-) Maybe that's different, and anything in water passes through the body, and the danger's just in airborne particles...
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Yeah, and Obama's in the white house. . . could there be a relationship?
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:25:34 +0000 (UTC), Jules Richardson wrote:

Per a call to the EPA, the ONLY exception is if you pay to have the house inspected and certified lead free by a federally certified inspector.

If it affects anything more than 6sq indoors or 20sf outside you MUST be certified.

Call teh EPA and complain.
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So, it costs "a measly $300" to do what you could do before the tax? How many measly $300 would you like added to your life?
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snipped-for-privacy@nowhere.com wrote:

There you go again. Trying to confuse the government haters with the facts. It won't work.
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:59:11 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@nowhere.com wrote:

Sorry, it applies to HOME OWNERS ALSO! It is also NOT a law, but a new regulation out of the EPA bypassing the constitutional process.

They have to file the $300 application, take the $100 class and get the roughly $1,000 worth of equipment necessary to comply with the new regulations.

I got this by calling the EPA directly!

The "hysterial rants" are based on calling the EPA!

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Michael Dobony wrote:

Geez, dude. Guys like you are called male hysterics, 'cause you all act like you've got a problem with your hormones. Learn to address your PMS, willya?
Anyhow, to address your hysteria over the EPA rules:
1. It exempts homeowners.
2. It's an eight-hour class. BFD. Over 50,000 renovators have been certified already and there are trainers offering classes all over the US. So unless you've got a emergency project, it should be no big deal to wait a little longer *if necessary* to get a certified renovator. If it is an emergency, you and your buddies can legally DIY.
http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/lead/pubs/renovation.htm
Crack a brewski and calm yourself down, for pete's sake.
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It is actually a big issue, and very few people seem to know about it - especially contractors.
The short version is basically that as of Aprill 22, 2010, anyone who does work for compensation who is working on a residentially property built before 1978, and who either disturbs (scraps, sands, etc.) more than 6 square feet of paint on the interior or 20 square feet of paint on the exterior, or does any demolition, or does any window replacements, must be a certified lead renovator and must follow certain procedures etc. This includes landlords who do their own work on residential properties that they own and rent out.
If I can find the links to the actual law, I'll post them.
In the meantime, here is a link to 16 short videos about the new lead-based paint renovation rules:
http://www.realtor.org/government_affairs/lead_paint_realtors_faq
The link is from the National Association of Realtors website.
Among the videos, there is one that is near the end that is particularly interesting. It's the one entitled, "Is it possible to avoid this rule?"
It says that if a home was built after 1950, the is a very good chance that the home has no lead-based paint in the interior. The reason is that most paint manufacturers stopped producing lead-based interior paint beginning in 1950. In 1960, most paint manufacturers stopped manufacturing lead-based exterior paint.
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6 aquare feet in what time frame? I can do 6 square feet in 10 minutes or in one day or one week????
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Just ignore the EPA and go ahead and do as you please. If one followed all their stupid rules, one would be bankrupt quickly.
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If only it were that simple for a guy trying to make a living running a sole proprietorship or small business. The faster road to bankruptcy is to take your advice. Then you wind up with a neighbor calling the EPA, they come out, shut you down, fine you, a hazardous waste clean-up company gets called in, which you pay for, then the homeowner sues you for project delays, etc.
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On Mar 26, 7:59am, snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

Why would a neighbor know what you're doing? I always flout EPA and other gov't rules on my projects. The projects get done in a timely fashion without gov't interference. Win, win.
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:56:24 -0400, Jay-T wrote:

Nope, also applies to homeowners, per call to EPA and website.

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:17:21 -0500, Michael Dobony wrote:

According to EPA website:
"If you are a homeowner performing renovation, repair, or painting work in your own home, EPA's RRP rule does not cover your project."
(http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm, under "Information for Homeowners Working at Home")
What bit did you see on the website that states it *does* apply to homeowners?
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:06:48 +0000 (UTC), Jules Richardson wrote:

Also take note the disclaimer that the information may not be up to date. One of the many conflicting links has information about home owners applying for certification. The call to the EPA said the ONLY exception to the certification requirement is if you have a certified inspector verify a lead-free home. I specifically asked about home owners.
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Here is more information on this from the national real Estate Investors Association:
NEW LEAD PAINT REGULATIONS
New EPA Lead Regulations will affect Landlords, Renovators, and Investors. There is a new EPA program called "Renovate Right" that takes effect April 22, 2010 and applies to virtually every housing provider and trades contractor in the country, with some narrowly drawn exceptions. The penalty for a single violation can be up to $35,000. There is a lot to know about these new regulations and we encourage you to view the links and documents below:
http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm
http://www.epa.gov/EPA-TOX/2008/June/Day-26/t14507.htm
Read everything and download what you need for printing and study.
Also, the Student Manual and Instructor Manual for the New Lead Paint regulations can be found below.
Student Manual EPA-740-R-09-002 (312 pages):
http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/rrp_8hr_studentmanual_feb09.pdf
Instructor Manual EPA-740-R-09-001 (434 pages):
http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/rrrp_8hr_instructormanual_feb09.pdf
Please feel free to view the following PDF Documents for additional information regarding Lead Paint regulations:
Renovate Right Program Description
Small Entity Compliance Guide to Renovate Right: EPA's Lead-Based Paint Renovation, Repair, and Painting Program
Please do not hesitate to pass this information along. Visit the National REIA Library for more information.
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