Hello dudes ... I'm in the midst of doing a kitchen reno. My initial plan
was to tile the floor after the base cabinents were installed. Less area to
tile so less expensive. But I've seen shows on TV where they tile the whole
floor first and then install the base cabinents .. so now I'm wondering if
I'm doing the right thing. The only advantage I see of tiling under the base
cabinents is if you want to make changes in the future .. you can move stuff
around and not have to redo the whole floor. I've never seen someone move
base cabinents around unless they were redoing the whole kitchen anyway.:)
I'm looking for opnions out there ... should I tile under the base cabinets
or not .. and tell me why?
I went through the same decision process with my kitchen, though my floor
was Pergo laminate, not tile. Both methods seemed viable, but I ended up NOT
flooring under them, simply to save the money on flooring that would never
have been seen. The tile won't be vulnerable to damage while you set the
cabinets that way either.
This was 2 years ago, no regrets. With tile cutting to fit the cabinets
might be a bit more of a chore than it was with the laminate flooring, but
on the flip side you will be setting the cabinets on a nice flat, level
subfloor rather than a (possibly) uneven tiled floor which might require
more effort to shim them solid and level. .
Make sure you plan ahead for the dishwasher and stove, don't forget the
added height of the tile which will go under those.
"Mike Lewis" < firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message
If it were my floor, I would simply buy a couple extra boxes of tile
and store them in the cabinet rather than tile under the cabinets. That
way if in the future you do remove the cabinets and replace them, you
have the same tile for patching any exposed area. You also have
replacement tiles for exposed areas that might be damaged during normal use.
Another reason for doing it this way is that the cabinets will probably
be secured to the floor somewhere, and in doing so it would require
drilling a hole into any tile under the cabinets. Should the drilled
holes later be exposed, having tiles might be a necessity in spite of
having tiled the entire floor previously. Having extra tiles is always
a smart investment when tiling a floor.
I believe appliance designers expect the entire room to be on the same
level. This could be important as you think about the height of the opening
for the dishwasher, e.g. cabinet bases (and therefore counter tops) are
lower being on the subfloor but dishwasher (and it's cubicle) are on tile or
whatever. That reduces the distance between the finished floor and the
underside of the counter top. Could be a problem. Likewise the oven / stove
Take the toe kicks off go under 2or3 inches cut the toe kicks down if
need be and reinstall always buy one box extra tile for future fixes or
more if you might change the kitchen later
Mike Lewis wrote:
When I do my kitchen floof I am going to do the area under appliances,
but not under the cabinets. If I were replacing the cabinets, I would
redo the floor under it though, but not if I were using tiles.
I went through this earlier this year. I did not tile under the
cabinets - combination of not wasting tile and easier repair if one
I figured my finished floor would be about 3/4" above the existing
floor - thinset + hardibacker + thinset + tile. I had my cabinet
installer put 3/4" plywood blocks on the bottom corners of the cabinets
to raise them up. I tiled into the stove, dishwasher and refrigerator
areas so everything is the same height. Tile goes up to the front of
the cabinets. The toe kick covers the cut edge. Since the cabinets
are raised, there is no problem sliding the dishwasher under the
I would tile the entire floor. Level, option of future change without
redoing the floor. Caulk around perimeter so the inevitable plumbing
leak doesn't seep under the tile.
Of course, if you ever decide to or have to remove tile, it would be
quite a project.
We have had leaks in kitchen from fridge ice maker, dishwasher, sink
drain and busted hose on washer in ajoining util. room -- if we had had
wood under cabinets, I think it would have been a disaster. Would have
been a disaster if we had not been home.
The house I just moved from had tile that was run under the cabinets.
I would have loved to rip out the (Ugly IMO) tile but dealing with
pulling all the base cabinets to get at least one row of tile out led
me to live with it.
I like the idea of raising the cabinets even with the finished floor
to avoid issues with the appliances, and socking away enough extra
tile to deal with moving cabinets etc. in the future. It is the
cheapest, lowest amount of work, and allows for total flexibility to
replace floor or cabinets in the future without touching the other.
We rarely tile under the cabinets when doing kitchens unless
specifically asked by the contractor or owner. However, you do tile
where "Set-In" appliances go, ie frig, dishwasher and stove. We run
the tile up to 1/4" of the cabinets and then the trim carpenter adds
the base trim and you get a nice finished look.
As to "Why"????? Why spend the bucks on tiling where the sun don't
shine (as per say). And the only reason to tile where the "Set-In"
appliances go is to make it easy to pull them in and out for a
multitude of reason one would have to eventually do. Another reason
is that cabinet makers (or at least our local ones) make the cabinets
so the dishwasher and stove fit flush at a height where the cabinets
are resting directly on the substrate while the stove and dishwasher
are sitting on the tile. Yes, the cabinet maker can make them any way
you want but the default is usually having the cabinets set directly
on the substrate with tile set into the stove/dishwasher slot.
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