Gutter Covers - Think these will work?


Does anyone think that either of these Gutter Covers will work?
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These are in the Clearance section - maybe there's a reason?
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Any concerns that they are installed under the first layer of shingles?
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I don't know how well these would work with heavy rains. I have simple gutters guards I bought at HD about five years ago. One gutter is underneath a maple tree which dumps lots of seeds and another is underneath an oak tree. Only had one clog in 5 years. These guards are just a screen pattern of diagonal shaped holes about 3/8 wide.

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I second the basic screen type guards which come in a 20 foot roll. I have tried a few different types before going to the screen and they are working the best. BTW, I also have maple trees. One in the front yard and one in the back. Let me add, they are huge and that produces a lot of seeds and debris. SO far so good with lack of clutter.
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I too have maples and was always concerned that the seeds would just get caught in the screens and have to be cleaned out anyway. Is this not the case?
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Not as of yet and it's been two years they've been on. It could be related to the angle I have them set, but either way, nothing thus far.

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No, so far so good. Sometimes I can see stuff piled on top. Either it's washed over or blown off. My screens were 3 foot long pieces. They fit under the first shingle and have groove that slips over the gutter edge.

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SBH wrote:

the trouble isa small dirt like debris get thru the screens, and collects. worse with the screens its a big hassle removing them to get out that dirt like debris.
maples are beautiful, but dont assume the gutter is clean cause its screened.
I had a home with this trouble, the new owner removed the trees
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debris.
The screens are next-to useless if pine trees or others with needles or smaller droppings are an issue.
Bob
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maples put out those fliers and seed pods, which get stuck on the roof and screen turn to dirt fast go thru the screen and clog the gutter and wherever the downspouts go.
15 years of experience cleaning crud out of those gutters
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In a previous posting, Usenet was endowed with the following text from

That just isn't so. It all depends on what you expect. That said, I don't like the arched screens or the screen rolls. They both have significant issues. The arched screens blow over and hang from the gutters. And, when the don't, debris piles up on the back side of them. They are visible from the street and just don't look good. They're cheap.
Screen rolls are not rigid and will usually sag into the gutter, allowing debris to pile on top creating a big mess.
Steelco gutter screens, however, are flat and rigid. They attached securely to the gutters and won't blow off, even in a hurricane, if they're installed correctly.
Most pine needles and other debris will lay on top the screen until it is blown off or washed away by a downpour. Some pine needles will definitely stand up in the screens, but they will not clog the screens and will not allow the gutters to become clogged. It may not be pretty, but it is effective at keeping gutters from clogging. That, after all, is the goal.
JM
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But it takes 3 times as long to remove the needles as it did to clean the gutters.
Bob
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Bob F wrote:

Blow torch.
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Those things have to be the biggest crock of shit I've seen. Except for a light rain, the water will just pour off like there were no gutters at all. I mean look at it. It covers the entire gutter opening!! If it worked, why would they make gutters that wide and deep in the first place?!
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Why have gutters at all?
Have always felt they were often a cause of rot.
Our 24 inch overhang keeps rain/melting snow from roof sufficiently away from house.
House is basic double slope roof, 62 feet long by 37 feet front to back with a low peak height of 3 feet.
Only had to shovel snow off roof twice during the last 36 years. Normally it either melts or blows away!
This is definitely a wet/windy and at times snowy location with very little gradient ground slope away from house.
We also have many trees, including maples and birch that have grown up around the house since 1970 and which are now well above height of the roof.
However no problems. And no gutters to worry about!
Just a thought?
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I've tried several items including gutter helmets and screens. Only thing that worked for hardwoods and pines were expensiver leafguard gutters with builtin helmit.

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those look like Leaf Guards...
STAY AWAY! i had those installled on my new house when they added gutters and they were nothing short of a nightmare. Birds built nests in 5 locations around my house, bird turds all over the side of the house, birds chirping at 5am... the gutter installer came and caulked the gaps (after pulling the nests and therefore killing all the baby birds.. my kids weren't happy at all..) and that fixed the problem.. until next spring when the birds came back.
the Leaf Guard company was so nice on the phone.. promised to send out an authorized installer to check and fix the issues.. no one ever came, even after @10 calls to them. They are liars and their product is junk.
ended up removing the $1800 worth of gutter guards and tossing them out.
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