fence issue with neighbor

Page 3 of 3  


I knew it sounded familar. My favorite part of BZ was the recruiting speech:
<<I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.>>
--
Bobby G.



Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
<stuff snipped>

Exactly. Keep in mind this is actually a "good" sort of dispute where one party is making improvements to his home. There are other, more unfortunate disputes that require less tact and more "act".
To me, the "call the police" sort of dispute is when the renters next door have a 2AM bonfire in the backyard that causes a large apple tree to catch fire with 10 P&F vehicles responding. And if you keep the cameras rolling while it happens and you might be lucky enough to get your drunken neighbors saying, on video, what "wannabe assholes the volunteer FD workers" were.
The arsonist neighbors were gone in short order, as they should have been and the owner next door was more carefully about tenant selection. Document any bad neighbor situation with video or still photographs, but do it discreetly if you want to hope to maintain good relations.
If you're filming them shoveling dog waste onto your property, you might have to forego discretion, but most times the pictures serve to refresh people's memory or prove to a claims adjuster that the facts were as you described them in your claim. Stuff happens, workmen get it wrong, all sorts of things can make an accident look like a deliberate offense when it's not.

And IIRC, she had some basement water issues. Now might be the time to address them with a work crew already on site. Good relations with my neighbor means we often share the cost of landscaping, minor repairs, etc. We even get good prices on things like roofing because of how much easier it is for a roofer to do a two-fer. Yes, having a good neighbor has some substantial payoffs. This thread has exposed some interesting and rather surprising differences on "how to live your life" theories.

Part of owning a house and getting older is to learn the difference between a tragedy and a burned potato. Lots of people never get there.
--
Bobby G.



Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Saturday, August 10, 2013 6:19:58 PM UTC-4, TomR wrote:

The issue isn't if the neighbor is a moron, a dufus, or arrogant. The issue is the neighbor has trespassed on her property, piled dirt not only on your property, but directly against the house itself, when told specifically that she would not allow them to do so. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it either. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be a pussy, do nothing and not stand up for my rights when someone is violating them and sticking a finger in my eye.
Just "keep your eyes

The more people like you let skunk neighbors get away with crap,' the more they do it to everyone else. As for the neighbor helping Leza out with the fence, etc, given what I've seen already, that is likely a pipe dream. Someone reasonable and decent would not do what that skunk neighbor just did. These people take, take, take, do what they please, because they obviously don't give a rat's ass about anyone else.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 02:15:40 -0700 (PDT), " snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net"

That isn't proven but it does seem reasonable. OTOH, the more n'bors don't fight with the selfish n'bors, the less the latter get a gun and kill a bunch of people. It's hard to judge the effect on society of one act.

Leza certainly didn't help things. The owner came over to her, as one should, and asked if he could put the dirt there, and she said no. I would have said Yes. Sure, she had a legal right to, but she's the first obstinate one. (apparently, never mind how much extra work it would be in that small space to do it without using her land)
And the notion that they would be making a mess on her property strikes me as silly. This stretch of land didnt' have any grass or bushes, or even paving stones, afaict.
That they may have piled dirt against her house... so what? When most of the dirt is shoveled back in the hole, the garden hose or the rain will wash away any dirt that's sticking to the wall.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Sunday, August 11, 2013 4:53:47 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:

I see. So, on the chance that one in a million neighbor's is a total nut case, we should let everyone trample all over us. By the same theory, if I'm robbed, I shouldn't report it, because the robber might retaliate. Hell, I guess if I hire a contractor and they don't finish the job, I shouldn't do anything about that either, because they might come back and burn my house down.

Never mind how much extra work it would be? How about if it's really not much extra work or even no extra work at all? Leza said it just meant they didn't have to take the dirt to the front of the neighbor's house. Like rolling a wheelbarrow a few feet further and dumping it on the neighbor's own property makes for some extraordinary amount of work? And if it's an extra two man hours of work, that's what $50? For $50 on a $1000 job, she's "obstinate" because she didn't want the mess on her property? Good grief!
Oh, and for all you "just let them go on doing what they're doing" folks, how many of you have been the first ones to tell people that they should not allow any workmen on your property without them proving they have insurance? But now it's OK for a neighbor to send over some half-assed workers who probably aren't insured and Leza is being obstinate? When they trip over a tree root in her yard, slam their head into concrete foundation and sue her, then what?

Look, it's fine if you want to let someone piss on your head and then make all kinds of excuses about why it's OK, like it's really just like rain or you needed a shower anyway. But me, I'm not putting up with someone trying to pull it with me.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
boundary is called the yard-line Who yard-line side is the fence on?
For I put up a fence I ask the neighbor to go 50/50 with me he said no So I put it on my side of the yard-line and pay for it all 2 year after the neighbor tree fall on it he pay 100% to fix it
Now is it on the Line or no?
if it on the the yard-line and you like to have a new fence it 50/50
if it on his side of the yard-line and pay just for the repairs
if it on your side of the yard-line and pay for the repairs
But he have to put are your yard back to the same or better then before
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

I had this same problem a few years ago. This is how I handled it....
First, I set up a boom box near the fence and played the same loud and obnoxious song all day, like Cherokee Pow Wow Drums:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
BN7atOD1s
Then I took a walk around the neighborhood and scooped up all big bag of dog poop.
When they went on break, I smeared the dog poop on their tools.
Then, while they were washing their tools, I went around to their truck and smeared dog poop on the door handles (inside and outside), steering wheel, sun visors (both sides) and cup holders.
Then, I changed the boombox tune to one of Slim Whitman yodeling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgPyDBmY-k

Later I ordered Pizza Hut delivered, intercepted the pizza guy, added some sliced dog poop and asked him to deliver it. I instructed him to say it's the new meat-eater bonus pizza.
Then finally I bought some corn dogs for them from Weinerschnizel, but first carefully cut open the crust and replaced the weiners with dog poop, and closed them back.
Good luck!
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Butt seriously....
I think you're probalby in the right, and I'd say you're handling it very well.
If the men did no damage, just wait for them to finish and clean it up. But be sure to tell your neighbor now what happened. A good neighbor would be at least embarassed and would appreciate your not making a big deal out of it.
About the fence, you do need to know on whose property the fence is sitting. If it's on your side, you can insist that they restore or replace that section. If it's on the neighbor's side, you could either toss the wood back over, or (what I would do) keep the wood and fasten it back to the fence yourself after all is over.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

One of you owns the fence. Which of you? You would have to look at the property description(s) and do some measuring or hire a surveyor.
I suppose it is possible that the fence was originally built dead on the property line via mutual agreement between the two property owners but that would be a recurring nightmare.
Since you told the neighbor NOT to put the excavated material in your yard they should not have done so. Since that was done anyway and you acquiesed, you are now stuck with it. Frankly, I don't see the harm as there really isn't any landscaping be messed up/
--

dadiOH
____________________________
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
wrote:

When I lived in Philly, many of the houses shared a fence. Very common practice. Don't know of any disputes.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
<stuff snipped>

(Leza - keep taking lots of pictures. If there's ever a nasty escalation to small claims court or an insurance claim, you'll need them all.)

If the yard crew is as informal as it sounds, it's easy to believe that communications got screwed up somehow. They do all the time for me with casual labor. If they are improving the property then reasonable accommodations are in order - as long as they clean up. That's where the photos will be handy to show whether restoration of the property has been accomplished.

Nor do I see permanent harm and I can see why they chose to move the dirt the shortest distance possible. It's what I would have done! Of course, I would be mad that I thought we had an agreement not to do it and they breached, but my very smart ex-boss used to always say: "Pick your battles." It takes often just seconds to screw up a neighborly "relationship" for years, even decades. This is where you need to be able to tell the difference between a tragedy and burned potato.
--
Bobby G.
+



Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
leza wang wrote:

Question for Leza:
Are the neighbors still "not there" or are they around, and if they are, have you mentioned the matter to them again, or have all your exchanges been with the workers?
Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On 08/09/2013 12:42 PM, leza wang wrote:

Go out tonight and take a dump in the hole where they work, and cover it lightly with enough dirt so it is not readily apparent, but not so much that it is buried.
Whatever animosity you feel towards them now will dissolve away when you see them working the next day.
Jon
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
leza wang wrote:

Leza,
So-o-o-o...., what was the outcome?
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Friday, August 9, 2013 2:42:55 PM UTC-5, leza wang wrote:

ses and the fence was/is there. The neighbor are now doing waterproof the b asement. So they are digging the area close to fence. They asked me if I wi ll allow them to move the dirt to my place (just easier than moving to the front of their house). I said no (I do not want to get all the mess, they a re hiring unprofessional workers and this has been going for 4 weeks. These workers do not have even the right tools to do the job). Anyway, yesterday we were away when we came back we saw the fence boards are removed except the frame and the dirt moved to our backyard! (see pictures below please). I expressed my disapproval strongly to the workers because the owner/neighb or was not there. The workers said you are neighbor and you should help etc and they promise to removed it today and said they put blue tar underneath so my backyard will be clean after. I was angry with them because they did not take my permission but then I said OK fine because I want to keep good term between us. Today they said they can not remove the dirt and need ano ther day. They asked kindly so I said that is ok but I want it to be remove d tomorrow. I have the back of the fence (if you can see from the picture). It seems the person who lived before my current neighbor built the fence b ut not sure. Who really own the fence now? can each of us do anything with the fence without telling the other if they can do this or that? Thanks a l ot. http://tinypic.com/r/25t7wy8/5(my house is to the Left) http://tinypic .com/r/25g9bol/5 (my house is to the Right) http://tinypic.com/r/2432smq/5 (my house is to the Right)
Leza,
You have had many responses, how about updating things?????
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Related Threads

    HomeOwnersHub.com is a website for homeowners and building and maintenance pros. It is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.