Dual flush toilet? Opinions?

The Mansfield Co. has a toilet on the market which is a dual flush toilet - lift up the flush handle and it allows a 1.6 gallon flush - press down on the flush handle and it allows a one gallon flush. Has anyone had any experience with this type of dual flush toilet? Do they work? Is it difficult to get parts for them if they need repair? If you had one already and it broke, would you get another one to replace it? Thanks for your help. Joe
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Zadigvolta wrote:

Most every toilet on the market is really a dual flush. Just hold the handle down and you get extra flush. Don't pay extra for what you get for free with others.
Buying by brand name is not a good idea. Most brands make good models and poor models. Many of the water savers are very good, some are very bad. I was looking at a few the other day. Limiting it to standard looking models (no color or special designer looks) I found models priced from $39.95 to $289.95.
All the cheaper models (which likely make up 90+% of the total sold, especially to contractor homes) have 1.75" traps unglazed. The better ones had 2" or larger traps with additional water surface areas and the trap areas were glazed. Some even had special pressurized water tanks.
Consider the difference. Have you felt the surface of an unglazed ceramic surface? That along with poor design, small opening etc. all contribute to poor performance. Using a lot of water was just a cheap way of getting around bad design.
Get a good water saver and you will be fine. Get a cheap model of any design and you will have problems.
BTW most water savers have a dual flush system. A single press uses 1.6, holding it down gets you about twice that, which is about what the old ones used. So if you just hold the handle down a few seconds when needed, you get the additional flush as well as saving water when you don't need it.
A very large market for them are builders who want the cheapest thing that meets the code, so they all make one. You don't want this. They all also make nice looking models that have a lot of appeal until you get them home and you find that the working parts are the same as the builder's specials.
Consumer Reports magazine did a report on them not long ago, you should be able to find a copy in the library. That may help.
Most people seem to be very happy with the American Standard Cadet models. Note that they do make more than one model in that line and pay attention to the trap design in which one you pick. Others like the Gerber (sp) power flush line. They are a little nosier and have a little more complex flushing system, but it is very effective.
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While I don't own one, I've used them in the past and never had a problem. Of course, it depends what you're wanting. We recently purchased a Toto and are really happy with it. There a good comparison on toilets at http://www.cuwcc.org/Uploads/product/MaP-Final-Report.pdf and http://www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm
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On 29 Nov 2004 22:10:29 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.comnojunk (Zadigvolta) wrote:

We bought Toto because of the 2 3/8 inch throat. The only time they haven't flushed is when I threw a hand full of paper towels in and left them long enough to swell up.
I didn't measure the low flush volume; but assume it is the 1.6 advertised. If you hold the handle down, it takes 2.8 to fill the tank. I measured that.
I got mine (4) at a plumbing supply for $83 each plus the seat.
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